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It's not going to be a request for general comparisson:
Play! framework is Java based which means the code is interpreted to bytecode and then compiled by the JVM in runtime. On the other hand, Ruby is a dynamic language which means the code is interpreted with every request. This is certainly obvious for every programmer.
Another aspect is the development process and the ease of the language (strong typing vs weak typing).
Currently I'm developing a new website using Play!
So, for the questions:
Performance for an HTTP server (Play! runs on the JVM, Ruby is dynamic) - does it really matter for a website? would you see a significant differences?
I feel RoR has much larger community, sources, tutorials etc, and it's a little batter me. Or should it?
Well, it depends.
Ruby's not a particularly fast language, but language execution speed is likely not to be your bottleneck—in my experience, ruby's relative slowness is often just a drop in the ocean of external service calls (e.g. databases), algorithmic problems (e.g. synchronous, blocking subroutines), and design choices that are just generally inappropriate for the problem domain. Keep your whole technology stack in perspective.
Community's important, and Ruby/Rails has an extremely active one. AFAIK Play's smaller, but in my own experience Java and Scala (and the myriad other languages that have JVM implementations (including Ruby)) also have good communities.
All of this depends on the specific needs of your app (and you!). If Ruby's too slow, it's too slow. If you absolutely need some library that only exists in Java, use Java. Choose the tool to fit the task. But keep the entire task (and your own needs for completing that task) in perspective.
Many differences between these two models. As for the performance, my opinion about Java based & RoR:
1, Java based website(running on several Java Application Servers), has its unique advantage, such as multi-thread model(highest speed to read local data), global memory, easy to pooling resources, plenty of efficient clients to connect all kinds of 3rd part OSS tools...
2, RoR (and Php) model of HTTPServer connection, need to "proxy" request to App tier. Multi-process model increases inter-process communications. And as a "dynamic language", the performance is lower.
But, nowadays, web programming depends on other tools to boost up. The widespread uses of cache, NoSQL(Memcached, Redis, TT/TC), IPC/RPC framework(netty, akka, )... shift the bottleneck. I knew both above models has been used in large-scale networking social games.
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Is it plausible(and/or practiced) to build a large piece of software, for example Altera Quartus II, using multiple programming languages? Meaning, the menus for the software are coded in c++ and maybe the core functional interface that the user interacts with most is built using java. Is this even possible? If so, what are the drawbacks/benefits of doing so with large pieces of software?
It is possible and practiced, however it is advisable that the core of your application is build in a mid-level programming language like c++ for performance, while the front end part and any utilities and interfaces to the core can be built using some other language like javascript.
Take a look at the Mozilla browser which is an example of c++ core with javascript UI.
Your question is about whether it is possible: the answer is it is. However I will try to extend a little bit by saying that your challenge in building an application with c++ and java would be the communication between the two parts of your application. You would need some kind of an intermediate like xml in order to do that.
It is possible to build applications from multiple languages, for instance, you could have your front end coded in C++, the back end written in Java and you use JNI for communication.
Although such an application allows you to exploit the features of each language, it requires developers to have expertise in multiple areas or have multiple developers, each of which can increase the cost of the solution being delivered.
Also, nowadays most compilers tend to optimize the code during compilation, so developers do not try and find micro optimizations which allows them to tweak every aspect of their code, unless they are writing something along the lines of AutoCad or Photoshop, each of which require a relatively high amount of system resources.
Another problem with solutions having multiple languages would be how to make them communicate together (sockets, shared memory segments, pipes, etc) so that would be another layer of complexity.
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In order to develop a web application that can easily scale, provide production stability, is easily deploy-able, and allows for fast development cycles, what points would you recommend I look at before choosing one or the other framework - using Java and Tomcat, or Django and Apache/Mod_WSGI?
Some pros and cons I could see immediately,
Tomcat apps are simple to deploy - drop a WAR file and you're done. Django apps seem to need more wrangling (Not sure if creating .egg files and dropping them in would work as well?)
Django's ORM seems much nicer than Hibernate - generates models directly compared to Hibernate's manual configuration files
Python as a language is faster to develop in, and much more concise than Java can be. (Of course, this is a relatively higher level discussion).
I've looked at Disqus's slides about scaling Django and am under no doubts it can be done. But would scaling a Django app be any harder than scaling a Java/Tomcat one?
I'm familiar with both Java and Python and the frameworks mentioned above, and it boils down to getting feedback those who've worked with either (or both) on scale.
Thanks!
Here are my experiences:
Django-Apache fits in 16MBs of memory, whereas Java-Tomcat requires much more than that.
Coding in Python is much faster, that is true. In Java, on the other hand, you have compile-time checks, profilers and debuggers that help you increase the stability of your application.
If you are planning to do heavy computations or need complex data structures, Java's compilation technologies will provide the speed you need.
It is easier to maintain a large project in a strictly object-oriented environment with advanced refactoring tools, such as Java.
Then again, coding in Python is much faster.
It's worth noting that Python code can be extended with C/C++ code. So Django applications can, in fact, be faster than their Java equivalents if one is careful to use native code where speed or complex data structures are required.
Obviously, my vote's for Django.
I choose Python with Django, because it is better in deployment. You don't need build war. You only copy files on server and that's all.
Django is easily scalable and production stable. see this.
If you prefer Java look at Grails. But it has 2 minuses: building war and a lot of memory usage(200 mb without users).
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from these links:-
http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/u64q/benchmark.php?test=all&lang=python3&lang2=java
http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/u32q/benchmark.php?test=all&lang=python3&lang2=java
http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/u64/benchmark.php?test=all&lang=python3&lang2=java
http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/u32/benchmark.php?test=all&lang=python3&lang2=java
they appear clearly that the best choice for GAE is java, if scalable feature is what we are looking for.
my question is, What are the implications that will affect on performance if we use one of frameworks?
e.g.
django --> python
spring MVC --> java
slim3 --> java
... etc
Just a quick note - don't take this as a definitive/comprehensive comparison:
Both Django and Spring have a long startup time, which can lead to requests being dropped. I'd go with a framework that was speciffically made for GAE: tipify, slim3, etc..
I'm used both Python and Java on GAE, one project done using Python+Django, and one using Java/Groovy+Spring.
Python+Django is very easy to develop, initially, but not so easy to maintain. It have enough fast startup time, good documentation, atc.
Java+Spring requires more development (some parts takes 2-3 times more than doing same using django), have problems with startup time (even if you are using warmup requests). But it much more stable.
Python project have too much errors, mostly without any visible (to you) reason :( And it's very hard to find cause of this errors, because of dynamic nature of lang. And also, be ready to manually patch some libraries you're using. Don't get me wrong, i have many years of Python experience, but it's really hard to maintain it on such distributed systems like GAE, and it's really have problems with quality of code :(
Java, in other hand, works very well. In case when your code have problems, you'll see all information you need to fix this, and after few iterations you'll fix almost all bugs. Except one: sometimes you'll see startup errors :( Not too often, btw
PS btw, choosing right language for GAE depend on what language you knows betters :) If you don't know Java yet - don't start with it, it requires at least 1-2 years to understand language.
These benchmarks compare Python 3 to Java on a (presumably) standard setup. There's no indication of what sort of workload these benchmarks test, either.
App Engine runs Python 2.5, in a decidedly different configuration to what you'd find on a standard desktop, so the benchmarks really don't apply.
Further, scalability isn't about benchmarks like these - they make, at most, a constant factor difference. If your app is built to scale, it will scale in either language, to the same degree. Scalability depends on how well you architect your app and use the underlying infrastructure.
I would recommend using whatever language and framework you're most comfortable with - don't pick your language based on benchmarks.
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Why is Java the most used programming language ? Why are the most programmers jobs for Java ?
Don't get me wrong here ? I like Java and I work in Java ? I don't have anything against it ?
Also, I'm trying to learn some other stuff out of the OOP box, like Clojure with its functional programming.
But, I'm wondering, why is Java number one ? I mean, dynamic languages (Ruby, Python, Php, JavaScript) people says that static types languages (Java, C/C++, C#) people envy them for their productivity ? They say they get the job done faster...
Ok then, if dynamic languages are more productive, how come Java stands where it stands ?
It was backed by a major commercial company Sun -- which other business value when decided on adopting such things.
It continued in the syntactic tradition of C++ -- already a widely used language at the time. In many ways, it was sold as a far improved C++.
It came with batteries included -- the framework.
Superb marketing effort of write once / run everywhere (platform independence).
The fear of Microsoft's dominance at the time forced a lot of companies to collaborate in the Java endeavor, notably IBM.
I don't think other languages on your list had these qualities (even if I fall into the dynamic/productivity camp). Arguably Python filled some of those niches at the time.
Typically it's easier for people to conceptualize in imperative languages with garbage collection (C#, Java)
Spolsky considers Java to be an easy language, he has a famous post on it.
Java is well-defined and thus easier for formal analysis efforts
Java runs on most modern platforms without massive grief
Java is "enterprisey", by which I mean it seems to be heavily adopted and developed by large corporations, which, due to sort of a best-practice risk-minimization approach, means other large corporations will also use it.
Java is taught in many universities.
Just off the top of my head...
Huge potential user base.
Large set of libraries.
Established community.
Fast VM.
Platform independent.
It's free.
It's been around for ages.
Some of the factors that have given Java its popularity are:
Its Maturity
Easiness to learn
Great API
Also, due to its philosophy of "Write Once Run Everywhere", Java programs are extremely portable and the Java platform itself is quite mature, in terms of the kind of applications that can be developed with it; not to mention the plethora of new languages that are being developed to run on the JVM.
Remember, most used, doesn't mean better; for many purposes you'll find that Java simple falls short of a viable solution.
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Which language is faster for web, Java or PHP?
It is a difficult one to answer as in theory Java should be faster:
it's precompiled, any trivial algorithim will run faster in Java than PHP and there has been a vast amount of work done to optimise Java from improving the code, standard libraries, to JIT compilers, etc.
PHP is loaded and interpreted every time if you're not using the Zend optimiser, objects are intialised on every execution, even the most trivial string varaible is actually a complex object with many methods to support.
The problem is that in practice PHP sites seem to run faster using fewer resources.
I think this is because PHP developers take a more straightforward approach to design and don't get lost trying to implement exotic design patterns and implementing endless pointless abstractions.
Speed doesn't matter
in most cases.
Processing is cheap. Code in what you're comfortable with. Writing proper code goes much further for speed then choosing a language. Solid coding conventions and design plan will also help more.
Best answer I could find
"stuff to consider:
Java web applications are compiled
to bytecode. Even JSPs, which are
compiled at runtime. This is an
advantage over most uses of PHP,
where the Zend Optimizer is not in
use.
Data can be cached in a live servlet
instance - no direct/easy way of
doing this in PHP to my knowledge
(there is only ever a single
instance of a servlet/JSP in memory)
If anybody knows how to cache data in PHP without resorting to ugly
hacks, please enlighten me!
Java applications tend to be
n-tiered, which generally results in
a more maintainable application at a
slight performance penalty. This
probably sounds trollish, but
honestly: even within Java itself
direct use of JDBC will always be
faster than going through three
layers of objects to the database.
But is an n-tiered Java application able to hit the database sooner than an uncompiled, hacked-up monolithic PHP script? I don't think there's an answer to that question.
All that said, I'm working on an n-tiered MVC framework for php 5 (it's called Pure (http://www.sf.net/projects/php-pure)), so my PHP applications are generally n-tiered too. I'll worry about speed when and if it becomes an issue. For now, it's definitely not an issue."
courtesy of krumms
Speed aside, I believe the performance of Java is better than PHP. But developing a project in PHP is faster.
Can't answer this question with one or the other unless you define what you want to measure the speed of.
Some things are much faster in PHP (in a native function for example), other things are much faster in Java.
The intent of each language is substantially different from the other, so if you're debating over which to use for a particular task, you should generally based the decision on that task (and how well suited each language is to it) rather than performance.
For raw performance of code written in the language (as opposed to simply calling code in the standard library), Java will probably run faster than PHP as an extremely general rule. If that matters, chances are that PHP just isn't very well suited to the task at hand.