What would you suggest as a replacement to the Maven Java build toolset? Just plain Ant scripts? SCons?
It depends on what you use anyway. Maven 1? Maven 2? I find Maven 2 decently documented, and quite powerful, when used in combination with Ant tasks and some home baked Java plugins.
There are Ant tasks to use Maven features from Ant: http://maven.apache.org/ant-tasks/index.html . So you don't really need to write your own "library".
And you can call Ant from Maven: http://maven.apache.org/plugins/maven-antrun-plugin/ .
You can also script things using Groovy for example: http://groovy.codehaus.org/GMaven+-+Executing+Groovy+Code .
Or just write Java code for the custom bits you need: http://maven.apache.org/guides/plugin/guide-java-plugin-development.html .
There's no reason not to mix and match, when you can do it ;)
While I like the idea of Maven, I always find myself fighting it for anything but the simplest configurations. Its architecture is plugin-based, and the quality of the plugins varies widely. Documentation is sketchy at best; half the time I can't figure out if the doc I'm reading is for Maven 1 or 2. And how often have you had to resort to using the maven-ant-plugin to do something basic?
I've been using Apache Ivy for about a year now, and I'm pretty happy with it. There is a bit of a learning curve though. But there's an active mailing list, and the author is very responsive.
What I ended up doing was writing a "library" of a few simple Ant targets such as "resolve", "compile", "install", etc. that expect things to be in standard Maven places (such as src/main/java) and then <import> the targets into my various projects. This way you get the best of both worlds- Maven-style configuration, and all the power of Ant.
I'm fond of using Ant with Ivy. Ivy uses Maven repositories to fetch library dependencies without forcing you to change your entire build system to suit Maven.
I've been using buildr for some of my projects. Very terse and readable build scripts (no xml) and it uses maven repos (with trivial effort, maven 1 and maven 2).
I was looking for something post-maven1 to work on for some projects and m2 wasn't all that appealing. Maven had already left all m1 users high and dry with the need to redo all of their build systems (and some of mine cannot be expressed in m2 as far as I can tell).
I really like using ant4eclipse - you set up your project dependencies in eclipse as normal and you can write a single ant script that'll build all the projects in the right order.
For third-party libs, you can either set up a single eclipse project containing (and exporting) all of your jars [I DON'T RECOMMEND THIS], or a separate project for each third-party lib, exporting the jar. [I recommend the latter b/c you can track project->third-party deps and upgrade parts when needed.]
I would go with buildr, if i am expecting complex build targets in my build. The benefit is, you are not dependent on any particular library at all. You have all the APIs from Ruby to do whatever you want; unlike Ivy in which case you are still tied up to ANT. Effort of migration to Ivy is worth if you want to introduce library dependency to an already established ANT based build mechanism which does all the operations you want to do.
There are at least three different parts of Maven: the repository, the implementation independent lifecyle and the conventions for a default project. Using Ivy provides only the repository.
I've not used it but I think that easyant is designed to be a more complete replacement to Maven. It uses Ivy as the repository but then adds conventions and standard modules.
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I need to put some old java class library code that I have into a repo, from where others can check it out and build it. You know, like any public repo.
But, I'm not sure what the best way to do this is in the java world. In old-fashioned projects, we just used to supply the build scripts and a list of dependencies. You gathered or installed the dependencies separately before running the build scripts.
But these days for many languages, you have package managers and the like that pull from remote locations and your build scripts need to include dependency fetching.
Basically, I'm not familiar with how java libs and programs are packaged.
Should I include the (dependency) libs in the repo? And update them whenever a new version is out?
Does java now have a package manager that will pull in the latest versions of the dependencies?
Do I leave it upto the people checking out to download the libs themselves before they run the build scripts?
I'd prefer it if the solution didn't involve installing a huge package manager. Gradle wants to pull in like 150MB+ of stuff and as far as I am aware, it isn't ubiquitous on java deployments.
Thanks.
Use Maven. I believe these days it's the #1 "package manager" (not a term that's usually used to describe it, but quite apt) by a large margin. It's built into Netbeans, IntelliJ IDEA, and I believe Eclipse.
However, it won't just "pull the latest versions" of your dependencies, since your application may break. Only the versions you specify. Therefore, you should periodically update (and test) your code to reduce incompatibilities when someone tries to use your library in an application which directly or indirectly pulls newer versions of the same libs (and they get into a bit of "dll hell"), or reduce your use of third-party libraries in general.
You should also consider publishing your library in a compiled form to Maven Central so that using your library would be as easy as adding a dependency to the pom.xml. The problem that Maven solves, after all, is not so much making it easy to build your library (since just bundling the dependencies gets you most of the way), but making it easy to use your library.
I have a project where our CLASSPATH is getting out of hand. We have jars that depend on other jars, which in turn depend on even more jars, as well as a large collection of third-party jars. So each time we use one of these jars we need to construct a rather large CLASSPATH, and if downstream dependencies change it is no longer in sync.
One thought is to maybe write a tool a little like pkg-config to help with all of this. I did some searching and didn't find anything. Are there any tools like this that I've missed or do people have alternate solutions?
No, I don't want to use Maven. We already have a different build system in place.
If you aren't already using a build tool, I recommend starting with Maven. The main thing that turns people off Maven is that it has a standard project structure. Personally, I think that's a good thing.
If you want to be a little more free-form with your projects, there are the Maven Ant Tasks for Ant. I much prefer these to Ivy, but part of that is because I'm used to the Maven artifact naming conventions.
In either case (or if you use Ivy), look into a repository manager. Nexus is written by the people who maintain Maven, and I find it easier to use than Artifactory, which is another widely used system. One benefit for Artifactory is that they provide hosting (for a fee).
You may want to use maven with an IDE plugin like m2eclipse. All you have to do is type the class in your code and it will help you search for and bring in the right packages with their dependancies. It will also automatically configure the classpath for you. Here is a quick tutorial http://www.sonatype.com/people/2010/03/adding-dependencies-using-m2eclipse/
I have multiple java projects in a folder. Also there is a second folder with libraries, that might be used as build dependencies from the projects. The projects may also have dependencies to other Projects. What's the best approach to build all projects ?
In other words I want to build the projects without explicit telling their dependencies.I think the biggest problem is the dependecy between the projects.
There are multiple build systems that are available that you may use. Maven has a complete dependency system built into it. Almost all third party open source jars are directly accessible via the World Wide Maven repository system. Basically, you describe the jar you need (groupId, artifactId, and version) and Maven will automatically fetch it for you. Not only that, but Maven also will build your project without having to create a build file. Instead, you have to describe your project in a project object model (a pom.xml file) and Maven will download everything you need, including all compilers, etc.
Almost all new projects use Maven, but Maven has a few downsides:
Since you don't control a build process, it can sometimes feel like poking a prodding a black box to get the build to work the way you want.
Documentation can be scant -- especially if you're moving beyond basic Java compiles.
You usually have to arrange your project in a specific layout. For example, source files should go under src/main/java while JUnit tests are under src/test/java. You don't have to follow the recommended layout, but then you'd have to modify the pom.xml file this way and that to get your build to work. That defeats the whole purpose of the pom.xml in the first place.
If you already have another build system setup (like Ant), you lose everything. There's no easy way to move from Ant to Maven.
The other is called Ant with Ivy. Ivy uses Ant for building, but can access Maven's world wide repository system for third party dependencies. It's a great compromise if you already are heavily invested in Ant. I also find Ant with Ivy to be better documented than Maven (although that's not too difficult). There's an excellent chapter going over the basics of Ivy in Manning Publication's Ant in Action.
With either process, I would recommend that you build a company wide Maven repository using either Nexus or Artifactory. This way, any proprietary third party jars (like Oracle jars) can also be stored in your company wide Maven repository since they won't be in the standard World Wide Maven repository.
By the way, if this is a company wide effort, and you are moving multiple Ant projects into Ivy, I have an Ivy project I use in Github that makes things easier.
Oh, there's a third possibility called Gradle which I know nothing about. I also believe it can use the World Wide Maven repository. It's based on Groovy which is based on Java syntax, and that's about all I can say. Maybe others can fill you in on the details. The Gradle group contends it solves a lot of problems of both Ant/Ivy and Maven.
Whatever tool you use, if you have various projects interdependent, you need to be clear on the independent ones which will be built first before building the dependent projects. You need to have a clear dependency structure for your projects.
You can do this with Apache Ivy. You can lay out the locations for you common libraries, define published artifacts and inter-dependencies in an ivy.xml document in each project, and let a top-level Ant build with the Ivy tasks figure out what the build order should be based on those dependencies.
Perhaps the reason I stalled learning Java until now is because I HATE how Java handles external libraries. I'm stuck keeping them in one place, adding them individually, fixing problems with versioning and every time I move/rename them, and copying and writing the classpath over and over each time I release a Java application.
There has to be an elegant solution to all of this. I keep all of my libraries (regardless of task, platform, or other) in their own little folder inside a "lib" folder in my development folder, kind of like this:
Dev
-lib
+JS-jQuery
+Flex-Degrafa
-Java-Xerces
+Xerces-1.2.3
+More libraries
I can use either Netbeans or Eclipse for Java dev, but none of them provide a very streamlined (and not to mention idiot-proof) way of managing all of these.
A nudge in the right direction or an online article/tutorial on this would be greatly appreciated.
You can either use Ant + Ivy or Maven to manage your library dependencies.
If it is only dependency management you're after and you're happy with the rest of your build process, I would use Ivy, as it can unobtrusively manage your dependencies, leaving your existing build process intact. There is a plugin for Eclipse called IvyIDE that contributes your dependencies via a classpath container.
Maven 2 has a steeper learning curve but provides a much richer set of functionality for building your projects and Eclipse integration through m2eclipse or IAM.
Personally I use Maven as I have a large number of projects to work with and Maven is particularly suited to efficient development across lots of projects.
Have a look at the introductory documentation to see what works for you.
Ivy Tutorial
Maven Getting Started Guide
Netbeans 6.7.1's Maven support is quite good and comes out of the box with the IDE.
The Eclipse addon was frustrating enough that I gave Netbeans another try.
A third choice besides ChssPly76's options is to use Ant with the Maven Ant Tasks. I don't know if I'd call any of these solutions particularly "elegant," but they do spare you the need to manage your own lib/ directory and classpath variables.
If you're working on Linux you can install Java libraries with APT or RPM.
Otherwise, I normally check precompiled JARs into a lib directory in my project's version control repository and make sure the names of the JAR files include full version information. E.g. lib/foo-1.5.6.jar, not lib/foo.jar.
To avoid having to manually set the classpath before running your app, you can set the classpath in the Manifests of the JARs themselves to define the dependencies of each JAR file. The JVM will follow all the dependencies when loading classes.
Maven is often more trouble than it's worth, but the ability to open a maven project directly into IDEs such as IntelliJ is excellent. For example, IntelliJ will download all dependencies and have them available without having to run a build first, or an mvn command and then a project refresh. It also isn't necessary to re-generate the project every time a dependency is added. I work with a number of Eclipse developers who switched to IntelliJ for this alone.
However, one shortfall of Maven is that many libraries (or versions of libraries) are not available on public repositories. Therefore it is often necessary to set up a local repository such as archiva. In ant, it would just be a matter of adding it to the lib directory in the repository.
Maven can also attack when you need to do something that maven doesn't directly support via a plugin. What would normally be a few lines of ant can often turn into a morning's worth of work.
Finally, buildr is an excellent way of using Maven's dependency management and plugins, while also supporting ad-hoc tasks.
I have seen many ivy files in my application's build projects. What is Ivy, and its relation with ant?
Ivy is an Ant extension for managing external libraries during the development process, giving you a way of adding them to your classpath, bundling them into your application build, etc.
There's some overlap with what Maven does, but Ivy is much more lightweight (and doesn't do as much).
Ivy is a dependency manager -- it manages and controls the JAR files that your project depends on. If you don't have the JARs, it will pull them down for you by default (from the Maven 2 repository), which can make project setup a lot easier.
Ivy is originally a Jayasoft.fr product which at that time was under BSD license, however the core of Ivy has always been the same: It's a dependency management tool.
Ivy's relation to Ant is that it is an Ant extension in the sense that it is through Ant, however it doesn't really depend on it (beyond the obvious parts). Ivy was merged into an Apache project under Ant as subproject through incubation process on October 11, 2007.
Very common misconception people have is that they compare Ivy with Maven as a whole. However that doesn't really work since Ivy only handles dependencies in an agile manner and is very good at it with simplistic configuration and wide automated support with various build systems etc. through Ant while Maven really is a build system in itself. Personal opinions may and do differ in which one does what best and that is worth several Stackoverflow/Google searches on its own.
I believe these are significant and useful points to add:
Ivy can be used standalone from command line without Ant. If your CI environment does not include Ant it will not preclude you from using Ivy. Yes, integration with Ant is nice and, by far, better documented. One could apply Ant integration documentation to standalone usage though.
Ivy is not just for Java. My team successfully uses it to define dependencies for a fairly large .NET project (10 interdependent packages with several versions of each in production with multiple third party upstream dependencies). Works quite well. I wish documentation were a bit clearer and fuller.
There are additional perks that Ivy offers for Build Time: upstream and downstream builds triggering.