Wondering if anyone has experience and/or sample code for making DDE calls from Java. I've done DDE using win32 calls from the stddde library (DdeInitialize, DdeClientTransaction), and could write a JNI wrapper for this, but I was thinking that it might be nice to do it from JNA
I also have some concerns about the fact that DDE calls need to occur from a thread with message pump, and I'm not entirely certain of how to force that in Java.
The calls we'll be doing are pretty simple (equivalent to VBA's DDInitiate, DDEExcecute and DDETerminate functions).
http://jdde.pretty-tools.com/
A decade ago I used Neva Object Technology's little DDE wrapper. Works, if you like that sort of thing. But IIRC, you should read the FAQ (although the things it does probably aren't so surprising if you have used DDE before).
JNA now has a DDE implementation in its contrib repository (the compiled classes are available in the jna-platform artifact):
https://github.com/java-native-access/jna/blob/master/contrib/platform/src/com/sun/jna/platform/win32/DdemlUtil.java
The unit tests contain many usage examples:
https://github.com/java-native-access/jna/blob/master/contrib/platform/test/com/sun/jna/platform/win32/DdemlUtilTest.java
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Just wondering if there are any Java implementations that work without a JVM. The reason I'm interested is, well, simply because I'm curious, and I was wondering if there were any "lightweight" Java implementations (without all the Sun libs attached).
I'm also interested in embedding Java in C++, but embedding the JVM in C++ seems rather ridiculous to me. I just want to exploit some of the Java language features in my C++ apps, but not exploit all the frivolous Java APIs.
EDIT:
I see from a lot of the answers I've gotten that I need to clarify...
I recently got in to developing node.js applications, which uses JavaScript. JavaScript in istelf is a language spec, it doesn't automatically come with the DOM, window.open, etc., although it did for a while. I'm wondering if there's something similar to Google's v8, except not for JavaScript, but for Java. In the end, I don't care if I can't write Hello World apps with it, I just want to be able to embed Java in a C++ application the way I can embed JavaScript in a C++ application with v8 or SpiderMonkey. If I could do that, then I could implement console output in C/C++ and then make that implementation callable from Java.
Do you want the Java VM alone without the API(STandard Library) ?
The JRE is composed by the JVM (Virtual MAchine) and the Standard Library, I have doubt that you can find a java implementation without the JVM ... You could find a compiler that compile java source code into native code(take a look at GCJ), but not a Java implementation without the VM.
Take a look at this wikipedia page to see some alternative Java implementations .
There's GCJ (GNU Compiler for Java), but the project has been deprecated since OpenJDK was open sourced.
there are light weight java processors designed for use in small devices for example JOP
As others have hinted, the "JVM" is the mechanism that knows how to load classes, interpret "bytecodes", and manage storage. It does not inherently include any of the java.lang... stuff, except that a few classes (String, Class, et al) are needed to represent classes and other basic data structures in the JVM.
As a result, Java without a JVM is just a bunch of meaningless bits.
There are (or were) compiled versions of Java that do/did not need the interpreter (though a reasonably compact interpreter is quite easy to build). A primitive class loader and some sort of storage management are still necessary, but class loading can be kept simple and for short-lived apps (or those that live with special restrictions) the storage manager need not do garbage collection.
As pstanton suggests, there are "lightweight" Java (or "Java-like") implementations that are suited for small devices.
IMHO, You need to re-exampine what it is you really want.
Java runtime consists of two main components
The JVM to run the code
The standard libraries which come with it.
You suggest you want to use Java, but you don't really have anything left without these.
For example, you cannot even write a "hello world" program without the libraries as String is a class in the JDK.
Occasionally, I have come across programming techniques that involve creating application frameworks or websites in Java, PHP or Python, but when complex algorithms are needed, writing those out in C or C++ and running them as API-like function calls within your Java/PHP/Python code.
I have been googling and searching around the net for this, and unless I don't know the name of the practice, I can't seem to find anything on it.
To put simply, how can I:
Create functions or classes in C or C++
Compile them into a DLL/binary/some form
Run the functions from -
Java
PHP
Python
I suspect JSON/XML like output and input must be created between the Java/PHP/Python and the C/C++ function so the data can be easily bridged, but that is okay.
I'm just not sure how to approach this technique, but it seems like a very smart way to take advantage of the great features of Java, PHP, and Python while at the same time utilizing the very fast programming languages for large, complex tasks.
The other thought going through my head is if I am creating functions using only literals in Java/PHP/Python, will it go nearly as fast as C anyway?
The specific tasks I'm looking to work with C/C++ on is massive loops, pinging a database, and analyzing maps. No work has started yet, its all theory now.
You can easily extend a python script with custom C++ code using Boost.Python, see this website for more details: http://www.boost.org/doc/libs/1_50_0/libs/python/doc/
This is how you can use it:
char const* greet()
{
return "hello, world";
}
#include <boost/python.hpp>
BOOST_PYTHON_MODULE(hello_ext)
{
using namespace boost::python;
def("greet", greet);
}
You need to compile this into a shared library. You will get a .dll on windows and a .so on Linux. The library will include the necessary code to make it available to python. Example using it:
>>> import hello_ext
>>> print hello_ext.greet()
hello, world
Here are some more examples: http://www.boost.org/doc/libs/1_50_0/libs/python/doc/tutorial/doc/html/index.html
When using Boost.Python remember to link your shared object to python if you are not using weak dynamic linking. There are similar things for PHP and Java.
As for other languages, I never used a custom shared library with Java but did so with PHP and it was a pain using the native Api. I found using swig way more pleasant.
Altough I agree with the comments (you might do it for fun, for business it's a bad idea) you might be interested in this similar question. The mentioned SWIG framework supports
all the languages you mentioned. I worked with it in a project with tons of legacy C code. Not really simple, but very powerful.
For Java, you can search JNI (Java Native Interface), there're a lot of guides telling how to use it.
On a slightly different take from the other proposed solutions, you could look into Gearman
Basically, it's a broker system. You have workers, which can be written in C in your case, to which you can delegate tasks from your python / php / java / w/e code.
Strong point is that you decouple both applications (if you rewrite your app in another language, you'll probably have less work as you only need to get the app to talk to Gearman).
Bad thing is that I think you'll be adding overhead which could make the performance boost irrelevant.
It seems like that working with jni will become my everyday routine for a few months. Is there any some tools which simplify dealing with mixed Java + C++ projects?
Is it possible to re-generate glue *.h files and rebuild native libraries automatically? Or I should write some scripts for maven, ant, gradle, anything_else?
Is there any experience?
Check out JavaCPP! I also list other solutions on that page... There's also Jace that is useful when trying to use Java from C++.
Some months ago I faced the same questions. It seems that Java/C++ interop is reviving just now, and that you are one of the pioneers.
If you're merely using C++ objects from Java, JNA may be a better solution.
If you're using Java from C++, I didn't yet encounter a mature library. Although functionally quite complete, JNI is is a C api (intentionally, if you read the design rationale). If you are about to write lots of code for it, I think it'll pay to write a C++ framework around it that wraps the bare jobject ,jnienv, jclass... handles into explicit resources.
The real issues arise when the C++ and Java have to co-operate using callbacks etc... Buckle up if that's your intent...
You are asking about an experience. So my experience is, that you should start with very well designed requirements, behavior and objects lifecycle. That should result in a mature interface which will change very little in the future. The effect is that you will need to change the glue header files rarely and simple one shot javah is good enough. It all doesn't sound very agile i know, but then JNI is everything but a rapid development environment.
Changing the interface twice a day, adding and removing methods and changing signatures "just to see if it helps" is a sure road to hell. You are connecting two very different worlds in terms of memory management and JVM can get nervous very easily. Thread safety is yet another level up. The mentioned helper solutions, while they are undoubtely a clever piece of software, might give you a false perception that JNI is easy. Then JVM starts giving you exceptions out of nowhere, your objects will start geting uninitalized randomly, etc...
You can use SWIG to automatically generate glue code and have an make target to rebuild the native libraries. You can also use ANT's c++ task for the same purpose.
First, I have no experience doing this. But like the beginning of any good program, I have problem that I need to fix, so I'm willing to learn.
So many of you are probably already familiar with pdftk, the handy utility for handling various pdf-related tasks. So far as I can tell, most of these features are available in much newer, lighter libraries/extensions, except the one I need (and probably the only reason it still exists): merging form data files (fdf and xfdf) with a form PDF and getting a new file as the output.
The problem is that my server doesn't have gcj, which is fundamental to build/compile pdftk. I don't know if it's because I'm on Solaris or if it's for some other sysadmin-level reason, but I'm not getting gcj anytime soon. And there are no pre-compiled binaries for Solaris as far as I can find.
So I'm thinking that the MAKE file and C code can be rewritten to import the Java library (very ancient version of itext) directly, via javac.
But I'm not sure where to really start. All I know is:
I want a binary when I'm done, so that there won't be a need for a Java VM on every use.
The current app uses GCJ.
So my first thought was "Oh this is easy, I can probably just call the classes with some other C-based method", but instead of finding a simple method for doing this, I'm finding tons of lengthy posts on the various angles that this can be approached, etc.
Then I found a page on Sun's site on how to call other languages (like C) in a Java class. But the problems with that approach are:
I'd have to write a wrapper for the wrapper
I'd probably be better off skipping that part and writing the whole thing in Java
I ain't ready for that just yet if I can just import the classes with what is already there
I'm not clear on if I can compile and get a binary at the end or if I'm trapped in Java being needed every time.
Again, I apologize for my ignorance. I just need some advice and examples of how one would replace GCJ dependent C code with something that works directly with Java.
And of course if I'm asking one of those "if we could do that, we'd be rich already" type questions, let me know.
I'm not sure what you are looking for exactly, so I provided several answers.
If you have java code that needs to run, you must:
Run it in a jvm. You can start that vm within your own custom c-code, but it is still using a jvm
Rewrite it in another language.
Compile with an ahead-of-time compiler (eg gcj)
Incidentally, you could compile a copy of gcj in your home folder and use that. I believe the magic switch is --enable-languages=java,c (see: here for more)
If you have c-code you want to call from java, you have four options:
Java Native Interface (JNI). It seems you found this
Java Native Access (JNA). This is slower than JNI, but requires less coding and no wrapper c-code. It does require a jar and a library
Create a CLI utility and use Runtime.Exec(...) to call it.
Use some sort of Inter Process Communication to have the Java code ask the c-code to perform the operation and return the result.
Additional platform dependent options
Use JACOB (win32 only: com access)
I am not sure if I understand what you are looking for.
If you are looking to incorporate the C code into Java to make a native binary without the gcj, I think you are out of luck. You can include the C in Java, but it would be a primarily Java program meaning you would need the JVM on each run. Is there anything stopping you from compiling the gcj yourself?
Are there inexpensive or free gateways from .NET to Java? I'm looking at some data acquisition hardware which has drivers for C/C++ and .NET -- I really don't want to do any programming in .NET.
Update: I haven't done what I originally wanted to do, but I've done something similar, using JNA to encapsulate some functions from a DLL, in order to control a USB hardware device from Java. (the DLL comes from the device manufacturer) It works really nicely. Thanks!
You could also try to use JNA for accessing the native library. JNA provides Java programs easy access to native shared libraries (DLLs on Windows) without writing anything but Java codeāno JNI or native code is required. If their API is fairly straight foward, this might be the path of least resistance.
See their getting started guide where they call some native code (printf and GetSystemTime).
Well, there's JNBridge and EZ JCom, just from a Google search.
You could also use IKVM which is a slightly different approach.
(Any reason for not wanting to learn .NET, out of interest? It's a nice platform, and C# is a lovely language...)
If they have C++ versions of the drivers then you could write a wrapper around it using JNI and then load that in Java. JNI can be a bit of a pain, but it would let you use the C++ version of their drivers and not have to deal with .Net at all if you don't want.
I am partial to the recommendation to jump in the deep end with C# since it is so similar to Java. I did this and used IKVM to compile my favorite Java libs. to .NET assemblies and you get [nearly] all the core java runtime classes to boot, so if you tire of trying to find just the right C# collection type, you can always go back to java.util. (No generic collections though. Not sure why.)
Depending on what platform you're on, you have several choices for free IDEs too. For windows you can get Visual Studio Express for free but I also use SharpDevelop. You can also get the Mono IDE on Linux (and a few flavours of Unix, I think ?).
The C# learning curve is shallow if you already know Java. I only blew off 1.5 limbs on landmines that came out of nowhere for reasons I still don't understand, but workarounds were easy to come by. The worst thing about it was the darn developer docs which are AWFUL on account of being so slow. I really miss the snappiness of JavaDoc. Not only are the online docs incredibly slow, the problem is compounded by someones's iffy decision to put class summaries, constructors and methods/properties all on seperate pages so it just takes forever. Someone said to get the docs installer and install docs locally for a slightly improved experience. Not a bad idea I suppose.
I am author of jni4net, open source interprocess bridge between JVM and CLR. It's build on top of JNI and PInvoke. No C/C++ code needed. I hope it will help you.
If you have a Java application, the JNI mentioned by the others will be the way to go. You write some wrapper classes, and that's it.
If writing the wrappes is a too big task (depending on the number of methods you have to wrap), have a look at SWIG . I think it generates wrappers automatically, but I never actually used it.
If you want to code in the Java language, but you don't care if your program will run on the JRE/JVM, then you might as well use Microsoft J#. Basically, it's writing Java-Code wich is compiled to .NET-Bytecode and can use the .NET classes of the driver as well as your existing Java classes. With J# you will run into problems if your existing Java-code is newer than Java 1.4, look at this question on how to solve them.
From that point on, you could later add code in J#, C# or any other .NET language. However, you won't get back to the JRE/JVM easily.