Are there inexpensive or free gateways from .NET to Java? I'm looking at some data acquisition hardware which has drivers for C/C++ and .NET -- I really don't want to do any programming in .NET.
Update: I haven't done what I originally wanted to do, but I've done something similar, using JNA to encapsulate some functions from a DLL, in order to control a USB hardware device from Java. (the DLL comes from the device manufacturer) It works really nicely. Thanks!
You could also try to use JNA for accessing the native library. JNA provides Java programs easy access to native shared libraries (DLLs on Windows) without writing anything but Java code—no JNI or native code is required. If their API is fairly straight foward, this might be the path of least resistance.
See their getting started guide where they call some native code (printf and GetSystemTime).
Well, there's JNBridge and EZ JCom, just from a Google search.
You could also use IKVM which is a slightly different approach.
(Any reason for not wanting to learn .NET, out of interest? It's a nice platform, and C# is a lovely language...)
If they have C++ versions of the drivers then you could write a wrapper around it using JNI and then load that in Java. JNI can be a bit of a pain, but it would let you use the C++ version of their drivers and not have to deal with .Net at all if you don't want.
I am partial to the recommendation to jump in the deep end with C# since it is so similar to Java. I did this and used IKVM to compile my favorite Java libs. to .NET assemblies and you get [nearly] all the core java runtime classes to boot, so if you tire of trying to find just the right C# collection type, you can always go back to java.util. (No generic collections though. Not sure why.)
Depending on what platform you're on, you have several choices for free IDEs too. For windows you can get Visual Studio Express for free but I also use SharpDevelop. You can also get the Mono IDE on Linux (and a few flavours of Unix, I think ?).
The C# learning curve is shallow if you already know Java. I only blew off 1.5 limbs on landmines that came out of nowhere for reasons I still don't understand, but workarounds were easy to come by. The worst thing about it was the darn developer docs which are AWFUL on account of being so slow. I really miss the snappiness of JavaDoc. Not only are the online docs incredibly slow, the problem is compounded by someones's iffy decision to put class summaries, constructors and methods/properties all on seperate pages so it just takes forever. Someone said to get the docs installer and install docs locally for a slightly improved experience. Not a bad idea I suppose.
I am author of jni4net, open source interprocess bridge between JVM and CLR. It's build on top of JNI and PInvoke. No C/C++ code needed. I hope it will help you.
If you have a Java application, the JNI mentioned by the others will be the way to go. You write some wrapper classes, and that's it.
If writing the wrappes is a too big task (depending on the number of methods you have to wrap), have a look at SWIG . I think it generates wrappers automatically, but I never actually used it.
If you want to code in the Java language, but you don't care if your program will run on the JRE/JVM, then you might as well use Microsoft J#. Basically, it's writing Java-Code wich is compiled to .NET-Bytecode and can use the .NET classes of the driver as well as your existing Java classes. With J# you will run into problems if your existing Java-code is newer than Java 1.4, look at this question on how to solve them.
From that point on, you could later add code in J#, C# or any other .NET language. However, you won't get back to the JRE/JVM easily.
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We want to use existing C# sources within our Java project. So far, this would not be a great problem since using e.g. Java Native Interface (JNI) is quite straight forward.
The problem is that the software shall also run on non-windows OS. So, we can compile the C# sources with Mono in order to make them executable on e.g. Linux. But how about the integration within Java? JNI or any COM-based solutions for C# <-> Java interoperability are OS-dependent and only work e.g. on Windows.
One possible solution would be the implementation of webservices. Has anybody another idea of how to solve this problem? I would be very thankful for alternative suggestions!
Thanks very much!
Regards
This is maybe not an "answer" as such, more a bit of discussion of how I viewed a similar (I think) situation.
I had a major investment in a C#/.Net-based client-server style system. So when I decided that I also wanted to support an Android "client" app I looked into various options. To me the most important factor was to maintain my C# classes as the defining classes for the object interchange between the existing system and the to-be-written Java Android app.
What I eventually settled on, and tweaked to my liking, was a system where Google Protocol Buffers is the interchange media. (If you're not familiar with them they are a sort of JSON-like interchange format.)
https://developers.google.com/protocol-buffers/
At the .Net end I use ProtoBuf-Net, written by Marc Gravell (he works here at SO, I believe). It includes the ability to take .Net objects and generate .proto files, the defining file for Protocol Buffers.
https://code.google.com/p/protobuf-net/
At the Android end I use ProtoStuff, written by David Yu. There is a part of his code that takes a .proto file and generates the corresponding Java classes.
https://code.google.com/p/protostuff/
One problem I encountered was that this didn't work well for my .Net classes that are derived classes, which was most of them. I created a workaround that is described in my comment to the answer here:
How to get protobuf-net to flatten and unflatten inherited classes in .Net?
This is now working to my satisfaction.
Note that I haven't talked at all about how the Android app connects to the Windows-based system and how the communications is performed. That was secondary for me - my primary consideration was making the C# class definitions the definitive definitions and having Java classes created from them automatically, and then the object-to-object interchange. (In the event I'm using a home-made TCP/IP communications link, but the actual communications could be anything, probably also web services.)
Hope this helps.
So I did a lot of research on this topic and want to share my findings with you:
One (from a technical point very attractive) option is to use commercial bridges between Java and .Net. For sure, the most popular products are JNBridge and Javonet. Both products seem to be quite easy-to-use, have good support and seem to be very sophisticated. Especially JNBridge already supports bridging between Java and Mono too, which allows the portation to also non-Windows OS, which is one of our main requirements as stated above. Javonet also wants to integrate Mono and is going to release this feature soon. However, both solutions are commercial and one needs to weigh their features against the respective costs. Nevertheless, from a pure technical point of view, they look great and also state to enable very fast communication between Java and .Net (faster than with web services).
Another option is to connect Java and .NET via COM. Since COM is generelly defined platform-independently, this could work on multiple OS. There are lots of open source projects that could be used for such an implementation, such as EZJCOM, J-Interop, JACOB or JCOM. The main restriction (expecially for our project) is that Mono only supports COM-interoperability under Windows (yet). So, this is not really an option for us. But if you want to create Java-.NET interoperability on Windows only, this is a good way.
The straighforward way of integrating Java and C# is to use Java Native Interface (JNI). You can also find manifold implementations that make JNI more easy to use, the most popular one is probably jni4net which seems to be a very active and frequently used project. But there are also others with specific pros and cons, such as Caffeine, Espresso or csjni. Finally, JNI is not 100% platform independet. It is applicable on different platforms, but you have to generate platform-specific code which makes it clearly less usable for our purposes. If you limit your application to Windows, jni4net seems to be a very good choice.
The third option could be to run both the Java and the .Net part within a Common Language Runtime. Ikvm.net is one possible and very popular solution therefore (as mentioned above by Samuel Audet). The drawback of this option is the loss of features and efficiency of the JDK.
The last and surely most generic alternative is to set up webservices between the Java and the .Net world. For this solution, one needs to find appropriate ways for serializing/deserializing objects from/to Java and .Net. There are manifold possible solutions for that available. RenniePet mentioned a sophisticated solution based on Protocol Buffers. Others exist as well such as http://java-cs-bridge.sourceforge.net/. This option might have a potential drawback when considering communication runtime, but may be the way to go for us.
Hope this may help anyone in the future that is confronted with the same problem.
Just wondering if there are any Java implementations that work without a JVM. The reason I'm interested is, well, simply because I'm curious, and I was wondering if there were any "lightweight" Java implementations (without all the Sun libs attached).
I'm also interested in embedding Java in C++, but embedding the JVM in C++ seems rather ridiculous to me. I just want to exploit some of the Java language features in my C++ apps, but not exploit all the frivolous Java APIs.
EDIT:
I see from a lot of the answers I've gotten that I need to clarify...
I recently got in to developing node.js applications, which uses JavaScript. JavaScript in istelf is a language spec, it doesn't automatically come with the DOM, window.open, etc., although it did for a while. I'm wondering if there's something similar to Google's v8, except not for JavaScript, but for Java. In the end, I don't care if I can't write Hello World apps with it, I just want to be able to embed Java in a C++ application the way I can embed JavaScript in a C++ application with v8 or SpiderMonkey. If I could do that, then I could implement console output in C/C++ and then make that implementation callable from Java.
Do you want the Java VM alone without the API(STandard Library) ?
The JRE is composed by the JVM (Virtual MAchine) and the Standard Library, I have doubt that you can find a java implementation without the JVM ... You could find a compiler that compile java source code into native code(take a look at GCJ), but not a Java implementation without the VM.
Take a look at this wikipedia page to see some alternative Java implementations .
There's GCJ (GNU Compiler for Java), but the project has been deprecated since OpenJDK was open sourced.
there are light weight java processors designed for use in small devices for example JOP
As others have hinted, the "JVM" is the mechanism that knows how to load classes, interpret "bytecodes", and manage storage. It does not inherently include any of the java.lang... stuff, except that a few classes (String, Class, et al) are needed to represent classes and other basic data structures in the JVM.
As a result, Java without a JVM is just a bunch of meaningless bits.
There are (or were) compiled versions of Java that do/did not need the interpreter (though a reasonably compact interpreter is quite easy to build). A primitive class loader and some sort of storage management are still necessary, but class loading can be kept simple and for short-lived apps (or those that live with special restrictions) the storage manager need not do garbage collection.
As pstanton suggests, there are "lightweight" Java (or "Java-like") implementations that are suited for small devices.
IMHO, You need to re-exampine what it is you really want.
Java runtime consists of two main components
The JVM to run the code
The standard libraries which come with it.
You suggest you want to use Java, but you don't really have anything left without these.
For example, you cannot even write a "hello world" program without the libraries as String is a class in the JDK.
It seems like that working with jni will become my everyday routine for a few months. Is there any some tools which simplify dealing with mixed Java + C++ projects?
Is it possible to re-generate glue *.h files and rebuild native libraries automatically? Or I should write some scripts for maven, ant, gradle, anything_else?
Is there any experience?
Check out JavaCPP! I also list other solutions on that page... There's also Jace that is useful when trying to use Java from C++.
Some months ago I faced the same questions. It seems that Java/C++ interop is reviving just now, and that you are one of the pioneers.
If you're merely using C++ objects from Java, JNA may be a better solution.
If you're using Java from C++, I didn't yet encounter a mature library. Although functionally quite complete, JNI is is a C api (intentionally, if you read the design rationale). If you are about to write lots of code for it, I think it'll pay to write a C++ framework around it that wraps the bare jobject ,jnienv, jclass... handles into explicit resources.
The real issues arise when the C++ and Java have to co-operate using callbacks etc... Buckle up if that's your intent...
You are asking about an experience. So my experience is, that you should start with very well designed requirements, behavior and objects lifecycle. That should result in a mature interface which will change very little in the future. The effect is that you will need to change the glue header files rarely and simple one shot javah is good enough. It all doesn't sound very agile i know, but then JNI is everything but a rapid development environment.
Changing the interface twice a day, adding and removing methods and changing signatures "just to see if it helps" is a sure road to hell. You are connecting two very different worlds in terms of memory management and JVM can get nervous very easily. Thread safety is yet another level up. The mentioned helper solutions, while they are undoubtely a clever piece of software, might give you a false perception that JNI is easy. Then JVM starts giving you exceptions out of nowhere, your objects will start geting uninitalized randomly, etc...
You can use SWIG to automatically generate glue code and have an make target to rebuild the native libraries. You can also use ANT's c++ task for the same purpose.
First, I have no experience doing this. But like the beginning of any good program, I have problem that I need to fix, so I'm willing to learn.
So many of you are probably already familiar with pdftk, the handy utility for handling various pdf-related tasks. So far as I can tell, most of these features are available in much newer, lighter libraries/extensions, except the one I need (and probably the only reason it still exists): merging form data files (fdf and xfdf) with a form PDF and getting a new file as the output.
The problem is that my server doesn't have gcj, which is fundamental to build/compile pdftk. I don't know if it's because I'm on Solaris or if it's for some other sysadmin-level reason, but I'm not getting gcj anytime soon. And there are no pre-compiled binaries for Solaris as far as I can find.
So I'm thinking that the MAKE file and C code can be rewritten to import the Java library (very ancient version of itext) directly, via javac.
But I'm not sure where to really start. All I know is:
I want a binary when I'm done, so that there won't be a need for a Java VM on every use.
The current app uses GCJ.
So my first thought was "Oh this is easy, I can probably just call the classes with some other C-based method", but instead of finding a simple method for doing this, I'm finding tons of lengthy posts on the various angles that this can be approached, etc.
Then I found a page on Sun's site on how to call other languages (like C) in a Java class. But the problems with that approach are:
I'd have to write a wrapper for the wrapper
I'd probably be better off skipping that part and writing the whole thing in Java
I ain't ready for that just yet if I can just import the classes with what is already there
I'm not clear on if I can compile and get a binary at the end or if I'm trapped in Java being needed every time.
Again, I apologize for my ignorance. I just need some advice and examples of how one would replace GCJ dependent C code with something that works directly with Java.
And of course if I'm asking one of those "if we could do that, we'd be rich already" type questions, let me know.
I'm not sure what you are looking for exactly, so I provided several answers.
If you have java code that needs to run, you must:
Run it in a jvm. You can start that vm within your own custom c-code, but it is still using a jvm
Rewrite it in another language.
Compile with an ahead-of-time compiler (eg gcj)
Incidentally, you could compile a copy of gcj in your home folder and use that. I believe the magic switch is --enable-languages=java,c (see: here for more)
If you have c-code you want to call from java, you have four options:
Java Native Interface (JNI). It seems you found this
Java Native Access (JNA). This is slower than JNI, but requires less coding and no wrapper c-code. It does require a jar and a library
Create a CLI utility and use Runtime.Exec(...) to call it.
Use some sort of Inter Process Communication to have the Java code ask the c-code to perform the operation and return the result.
Additional platform dependent options
Use JACOB (win32 only: com access)
I am not sure if I understand what you are looking for.
If you are looking to incorporate the C code into Java to make a native binary without the gcj, I think you are out of luck. You can include the C in Java, but it would be a primarily Java program meaning you would need the JVM on each run. Is there anything stopping you from compiling the gcj yourself?
I'm wondering if a Java library can be called from a VB.net application.
(A Google search turns up lots of shady answers, but nothing definitive)
No, you can't. Unless you are willing to use some "J#" libraries (which is not nearly the same as Java) or IKVM which is a Java implementation that runs on top of .NET, but as their documentation says:
IKVM.OpenJDK.ClassLibrary.dll: compiled version of the Java class libraries derived from the OpenJDK class library with some parts filled in with code from GNU Classpath and IcedTea, plus some additional IKVM.NET specific code.
So it's not the real deal.
I am author of jni4net, open source intraprocess bridge between JVM and CLR. It's build on top of JNI and PInvoke. No C/C++ code needed. I hope it will help you.
You can call Java from .NET if you wrap it in some form to make it accessable and the easiest way is typically to use a Runtime bridge like
http://www.jnbridge.com/
Other way is to wrap your API with java webservices.
check this also http://www.devx.com/interop/Article/19945
Nothing out of the box.
Most java/.net interop that I know uses web services.
If you can create COM components with Java, you can use tlbimp to create an interop assembly for using in VB.Net.
If can create standard DLLs that can be used from C++ with Java, you can write P/Invoke declarations and call them from VB.Net.
If you can create a web service with Java, you can generate proxy class from the WSDL and call it from VB.Net.
In any case, chances are the Java component will live in a separate process. I doubt you can load both the Java VM and the CLR in the same process.
If you have the source code and compile it using the J# compiler, then the answer is yes. If you want to call any pre-Java 2 (aka 1.2) libraries, then these are included pretty much verbatim with J#. More recent stuff is going to be tricky though (i.e., it's not there).
An example where this is used commercially are the yFiles graph layout algorithms from yWorks. These were originally just a Java library, but for the past few years they've been offering a .NET version, which is just the Java version compiled with Visual J#.
It's not without problems, and there are some limitations that you can't get around, but it can be done. So... unfortunately this answer looks pretty shady as well.
You could use JNI to instantiate a virtual machine and then use Java Classes. It will be some fun, though, because you would need to use C++ as a bridge between VB.Net and Java.
This article in java world has a quick tutorial on how to use Java from C++ and viceversa.
http://www.javaworld.com/javaworld/javatips/jw-javatip17.html
If you have the source, Visual Studio will let you convert Java code into c#.