I don't want to make a holy war. I just want to know if there is such benchmark? Or maybe you can say something about this thread from your experience?
I just stumbled over the language shootout yesterday, again where you can compare some performance characteristics of both languages while running different programs. I didn't find a benchmark for web performance, though.
Fact is, that interpreted languages like PHP are always slower than a compiled language. JSP files get compiled, too, so once the server is up an running and doesn't get changed anymore, the performance will be better than a PHP script that gets interpreted every time a request comes in.
On the other hand, the first performance bottleneck you will have will probably be the database speed, anyway. And then there are still lots of other ways for improving performance like pre compiling your PHP scripts, externalizing heavy calculations into C etc. And compared to the monster of Java web development PHP is easy to learn and to get along with. In the end, if you have the choice, you should go with the language you are most comfortable with. If you are starting a new project you may not even know if all the performance considerations will ever be important because you don't have the users yet and just want to get your application out there quickly.
While Daff's explanation of PHP vs JSP is technically wrong, the essential gist of his post is correct: choose the language that is best for you. Only very rarely will you find yourself in a position where performance really matters badly. At that point, you are much more likely to be able to make significant architectural optimizations in your language of choice - and these optimizations are likely to have significantly more effect than the difference between PHP and JSP.
One of the core rules of programming has always been to avoid premature optimization - if for no other reason than because until you're actually under pressure you don't know what you actually need to optimize, nor do you have a means of determining whether it worked.
In the event that you believe there's a possibility you may face performance issues, no website can help you. The most vital thing is to create your own load testing benchmarks that represent the specifics of how your site works, simulating how your users do things. Only once you have done that are you able to move on to tweaking your code, implementing things like caching, load balancing, data and request partitioning etc with any confidence that the changes you are making are having a positive impact on your site performance.
There are books specifically about the process of optimization in general, but the key sequence is this:
Benchmark
Change test
Benchmark to see if change indicates performance improvement
Go live
Evaluate live response to see if benchmark prediction was correct
(People forget #5 a lot and cause themselves grief)
If you're going to spend time worrying about performance, spend time setting up that sequence, don't spend time worrying about your language choice.
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Are there any known techniques (and resources related to them, like research papers or blog entries) which describe how do dynamically programatically detect the part of the code that caused a performance regression, and if possible, on the JVM or some other virtual machine environment (where techniques such as instrumentation can be applied relatively easy)?
In particular, when having a large codebase and a bigger number of committers to a project (like, for example, an OS, language or some framework), it is sometimes hard to find out the change that caused a performance regression. A paper such as this one goes a long way in describing how to detect performance regressions (e.g. in a certain snippet of code), but not how to dynamically find the piece of the code in the project that got changed by some commit and caused the performance regression.
I was thinking that this might be done by instrumenting pieces of the program to detect the exact method which causes the regression, or at least narrowing the range of possible causes of the performance regression.
Does anyone know about anything written about this, or any project using such performance regression detection techniques?
EDIT:
I was referring to something along these lines, but doing further analysis into the codebase itself.
Perhaps not entirely what you are asking, but on a project I've worked on with extreme performance requirements, we wrote performance tests using our unit testing framework, and glued them into our continuous integration environment.
This meant that every check-in, our CI server would run tests that validated we hadn't slowed down the functionality beyond our acceptable boundaries.
It wasn't perfect - but it did allow us to keep an eye on our key performance statistics over time, and it caught check-ins that affected the performance.
Defining "acceptable boundaries" for performance is more an art than a science - in our CI-driven tests, we took a fairly simple approach, based on the hardware specification; we would fail the build if the performance tests exceeded a response time of more than 1 second with 100 concurrent users. This caught a bunch of lowhanging fruit performance issues, and gave us a decent level of confidence on "production" hardware.
We explicitly didn't run these tests before check-in, as that would slow down the development cycle - forcing a developer to run through fairly long-running tests before checking in encourages them not to check in too often. We also weren't confident we'd get meaningful results without deploying to known hardware.
With tools like YourKit you can take a snapshot of the performance breakdown of a test or application. If you run the application again, you can compare performance breakdowns to find differences.
Performance profiling is more of an art than a science. I don't believe you will find a tool which tells you exactly what the problem is, you have to use your judgement.
For example, say you have a method which is taking much longer than it used to do. Is it because the method has changed or because it is being called a different way, or much more often. You have to use some judgement of your own.
JProfiler allows you to see list of instrumented methods which you can sort by average execution time, inherent time, number of invocations etc. I think if this information is saved over releases one can get some insight into regression. Offcourse the profiling data will not be accurate if the tests are not exactly same.
Some people are aware of a technique for finding (as opposed to measuring) the cause of excess time being taken.
It's simple, but it's very effective.
Essentially it is this:
If the code is slow it's because it's spending some fraction F (like 20%, 50%, or 90%) of its time doing something X unnecessary, in the sense that if you knew what it was, you'd blow it away, and save that fraction of time.
During the general time it's being slow, at any random nanosecond the probability that it's doing X is F.
So just drop in on it, a few times, and ask it what it's doing.
And ask it why it's doing it.
Typical apps are spending nearly all their time either waiting for some I/O to complete, or some library function to return.
If there is something in your program taking too much time (and there is), it is almost certainly one or a few function calls, that you will find on the call stack, being done for lousy reasons.
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First of all I should mention that I'm aware of the fact that performance optimizations can be very project specific. I'm mostly not facing these special issues right now. I'm facing a bunch of performance issues with the JVM itself.
I wonder now:
which code-optimization make sense
from a compiler perspective: for
example to support the garbage
collector I declared variables as
final - very much following PMD's
suggestions here from Eclipse.
what best practices there are for: vmargs,
heap and other stuff passed to the
JVM for initialization. How do I get
the right values here? Is there any
formula or is it try and error?
Java automates a lot, does many optimization on byte-code level and stuff. However I think most of that must be planed by a developer in order to work.
So how do you speed up your programs in Java? :)
Which code-optimization make sense from a compiler perspective: for example to support the garbage collector I declared variables as final - very much following PMD's suggestions here from Eclipse.
Assuming you are talking about potential micro-optimizations you can make to your code, the answer is pretty much none. The best way to increase your application performance is to run a profiler to figure out where the performance bottlenecks are, then figure out if there is anything you can do to speed them up.
All of the classic tricks like declaring classes, variables and methods final, reorganizing loops, changing primitive types are pretty much a waste of effort in most cases. The JIT compiler can typically do a much better job than you can. For example, recent JIT compilers will analyse all loaded classes to figure out which method calls are not subject to overloading, without you declaring the classes or methods as final. It will then use a quicker call sequence, or even inline the method body.
Indeed, the Sun experts say that some programmer attempts at optimization fail because they actually make it harder for JIT compiler to apply the optimizations it knows about.
On the other hand, higher level algorithmic optimizations are definitely worthwhile ... provided that your profiler tells you that your application is spending a significant amount of time in that area of the code.
Using arrays instead of collections can be a worthwhile optimization in unusual cases, and in rare cases using object pools might be too. But these optimizations 1) will make your code more complicated and bug prone and 2) can slow your application down if used inappropriately. These kinds of optimizations should only be tried as a last resort. For example, if your profiling says that such and such a HashMap<Integer,Integer> is a CPU bottleneck or a memory hog, then it is a better idea to look for an existing specialized Map or Map-like library class than to try and implement the map yourself using arrays. In other words, optimize at the high level.
If you spend long enough or your application is small enough, careful micro-optimization will probably give you a faster application (on a given JVM version / hardware platform) than just relying on the JIT compiler. If you are implementing a smallish application to do large-scale number crunching in Java, the pay-off of micro-optimization may well be considerable. But this is clearly not a typical case! For typical Java applications, the effort is large enough and the performance difference is small enough that micro-optimization is not worthwhile.
(Incidentally, I don't see how declaring a variable can make any possible difference to GC performance. The GC has to trace a variable every time it is encountered whether or not it is final. Besides, it is an open secret that final variables can actually change under certain circumstances, so it would be unsafe for the GC to assume that they don't. Unsafe as in "creates a dangling pointer resulting in a JVM crash".)
I see this a lot. The sequence generally goes:
Thinking performance is about compiler optimizations, big-O, and so on.
Designing software using the recommended ideas, lots of classes, two-way linked lists, trees with pointers up, down, left, and right, hash sets, dictionaries, properties that invoke other properties, event handlers that invoke other event handlers, XML writing, parsing, zipping and unzipping, etc. etc.
Since all those data structures were like O(1) and the compiler's optimizing its guts out, the app should be "efficient", right? Well, then, what's that little voice telling one that the startup is slow, the shutdown is slow, the loading and unloading could be faster, and why is the UI so sluggish?
Hand it off to the "performance expert". With luck, that person finds out, all this stuff is done in the recommended way, but that's why it's cranking its heart out. It's doing all that stuff because it's the recommended way to do things, not because it's needed.
With luck, one has the chance to re-engineer some of that stuff, to make it simple, and gradually remove the "bottlenecks". I say, "with luck" because often it's just not possible, so development relies on the next generation of faster processors to take away the pain.
This happens in every language, but moreso in Java, C#, C++, where abstraction has been carried to extremes. So by all means, be aware of best practices, but also understand what simple software is. Typically it consists of saving those best practices for the circumstances that really need them.
which code-optimization make sense
from a compiler perspective?
All the ones that a compiler can't reason about, because a compiler is very dumb and Java doesn't have "design by contract" (which, hence, cannot help the dumb compiler reason about your code).
For example if you're crunching data and using use int[] or long[] arrays, you may know something about your data that is IMPOSSIBLE for the compiler to figure out and you may use low-level bit-packing/compacting to improve the locality of reference in that part of your code.
Been there, done that, saw gigantic speedup. So much for the "super smart compiler".
This is just one example. There are a huge number of cases like this.
Remember that a compiler is really stupid: it cannot know that if ( Math.abs(42) > 0 ) will always return true.
This should give some food for thoughts to people that think that those compilers are "smart" (things would be different here if Java had DbC, but it doesn't).
what best practices there are for:
vmargs, heap and other stuff passed to
the JVM for initialization. How do I
get the right values here? Is there
any formula or is it try and error?
The real answer is: there shouldn't be. Sadly the situation is so pathetic that such low-level hackery is needed, due to serious failure on Java's part. Oh, one more "tiny" detail: playing with VM fine-tuning only works for server-side app. It doesn't work for desktop apps.
Anyone who has worked on Java desktop applications installed on hundreds or thousands of machines, on various OSes knows all too well what the issue is: full GC pauses making your app look like it's broken. The Apple VM on OS X 10.4 comes to mind for it's particularly afwul, but ALL the JVMs are subject to that issue.
What is worse: it is impossible to "fine tune" the GC's parameters across different OSes / VMs / memory configuration when your application is going to be run on hundreds/thousands of different configuration.
Anyone disputing that: please tell me how you "fine tune" your app knowing that it is going to be run both on octo-cores Mac loaded with 20 GB of ram (I've got users with such setups) and old OS X 10.4 PowerBook that have 768 MB of ram. Please?
But it is not bad: you should not, in the first place, have to be concerned with super-low-level detail like GC "fine tuning". The very fact that this is hinted to is a testimony to one area where Java has a major issue.
Java fans will keep on saying "the GC is super fast, object creation is cheap" while this is blatantly wrong. There's a reason with Trove' TIntIntHashMap runs around circles an HashMap<Integer,Integer>.
There's also a reason why at every new JVM release you'll get countless release notes explaining why -XXGCHyperSteroidMultiTopNotch offers better performance than the last "big JVM param" that every cool Java programmer had to know: maybe the JVM wasn't that great at GC'ing after all.
So to answer your question: how do you speed up Java programs? Easy, do like what the Trove guys did: stop needlessly creating gigantic amount of objects and stop needlessly auto(un)boxing primitives because they will kill your app's perfs.
A TIntIntHashMap OWNS the default HashMap<Integer,Integer> for a reason: for the same reason my apps are now much faster than before.
I stopped believing in crap like "object creation costs nothing" and "the GC is super-optimized, don't worry about it".
I'm using Java to crunch data (I know, I'm a bit crazy) and the one thing that made my app faster was to stop believing all the propaganda surrounding the "cheap object creation" and "amazingly fast GC".
The truth is: INSTEAD OF TRYING TO FINE-TUNE YOUR GC SETTINGS, STOP CREATING THAT MUCH GARBAGE IN THE FIRST PLACE. This can be stated this way: if changing the GC settings radically changes the way your app run, it may be time to wonder if all the needless junk objects your creating are really needed.
Oh, you know what, I'm betting we'll see more and more release notes explaining why Java version x.y.z's GC is faster than version x.y.z-1's GC ;)
Generally there are two kinds of performance optimizations you need to do with Java:
Algorithmic optimization. Choose an algorithm which behaves like you need to. For instance, a simple algorithm may perform best for small datasets, but the overhead of preparing a smarter algorithm may first pay off for much larger datasets.
Bottleneck identification. Here you need to be familiar with a profiler that can tell you what the problem is (humans always guess wrong) - memory leak?, slow method? etc... A good one to start with is VisualVM which can attach to a running program, and is available in the latest Sun JDK. When you know the problem, you can fix it.
Todays JVM's are surprisingly robust when it comes to performance. Any microoptimizations you can apply will, in practically all cases, have only very minor impact on performance. This is easy to understand if you take a look on how typical language constructs (e.g. FOR vs WHILE) translate to bytecode - they are almost indistinguishable.
Making methods/variables final has absolutely no impact on performance on a decent JIT'd JVM. The JIT will keep track of which methods are really polymorphic and optimize away the dynamic dispatch where possible. Static methods can still be faster, since they don't have a this-reference = one less local variable (which at the same time, limits their application). Most efficient micro optimizations are not so much Java specific, for example code with lots of conditional statements can become very slow due to branch mispredictions by the processor. Sometimes conditionals can be replaced by other, sequential code flow constructs (often at the cost of readability), reducing the number of mispredicted branches (and this applies to all languages that somehow compile to native code).
Note that profilers tend to inflate the time spent in short, frequently called methods. This is due to the fact that profilers need to instrument the code to keep track of invocations - this can interfere with the JIT's ability to inline those methods (and the instrumentation overhead becomes significantly larger than the time spent actually executing the methods body). Manual inlining, while apparently very performance boosting under a profiler has in most cases no effect under "real world" conditions. Don't rely purely on the profilers results, verify that optimizations you make have real impact under real runtime conditions, too.
Notable performance boosts can only be expected from changes that reduce the amount of work done, more cache friendly data layout or superior algorytms. Java partially limits your possibilities for cache friendly data layouts, since you have no control where the parts (arrays/objects) that form your data structure will be located in memory in relation to each other. Still, there are plenty of opportunities where choosing the right data structure for the job can make a huge difference (e.g. ArrayList vs LinkedList).
There is little you can do to aid the garbage collector. However, a point worth noting is, while object allocation in Java is very very fast, there is still the cost of object initialization (which is mostly under your control). Poor performance of applications that creating lots of (short lived) objects is more likely to be attributed to poor cache utilization than to the garbage collectors work.
Different applications types require different optimization strategies - so before asking about specific optimizations, find out where your application really spends its time.
If you are experiencing performance issues with your application, you should seriously consider trying some profiling (eg: hprof) to see whether the problem is algorithmic in nature, and also checking the GC performance logging (eg: -verbose:gc) to see if you could benefit from tuning your JVM GC options.
It is worth noting that the compiler does next to no optimisations, and the JVM doesn't optimise at the byte code level either. Most of the optimisations are performed by the JIT in the JVM and it optmises how the code is converted to native machine code.
The best way to optimise your code is to use a profiler which measures how much time and resources your application is using when you give it a realistic data set. Without this information you are just guessing and you can change alot of code where it really, really doesn't matter and find you have added bugs in the process.
Many come to the conclusion that its never worth optmising you code, even counter productive as it can waste time and introduce bugs and I would say that is true for 95+% of your code. However, with aprofiler you can measure the critical pieces of code and optmise the <5% worth optimising and done carefully, you won't get too many issues from trying to optimise your code.
It's hard to answer this too thoroughly because you haven't even mentioned what sort of project you're talking about. Is it a desktop application? A server-side application?
Desktop applications favor application startup time, so the HotSpot client VM is a good start. Client applications don't necessarily need all of their heap space all the time, so a good balance between starting heap and max heap is useful. (Like, maybe -Xms128m -Xmx512m)
Server applications favor overall throughput, which is something the HotSpot server VM is tuned for. You should always allocate the min and max heap sizes the same on a server application. There is an added cost at the system level to it having to malloc() and free() during garbage collection. Use something like -Xms1024m -Xmx1024m.
There are several different garbage collectors also, which are tuned to different application types.
Take a read through the Java SE 6 Performance White Paper if you want more info on the garbage collector and other performance related items from Java 6.
I am building a trading portfolio management system that is responsible for production, optimization, and simulation of non-high frequency trading portfolios (dealing with 1min or 3min bars of data, not tick data).
I plan on employing Amazon web services to take on the entire load of the application.
I have four choices that I am considering as language.
Java
C++
C#
Python
Here is the scope of the extremes of the project scope. This isn't how it will be, maybe ever, but it's within the scope of the requirements:
Weekly simulation of 10,000,000 trading systems.
(Each trading system is expected to have its own data mining methods, including feature selection algorithms which are extremely computationally-expensive. Imagine 500-5000 features using wrappers. These are not run often by any means, but it's still a consideration)
Real-time production of portfolio w/ 100,000 trading strategies
Taking in 1 min or 3 min data from every stock/futures market around the globe (approx 100,000)
Portfolio optimization of portfolios with up to 100,000 strategies. (rather intensive algorithm)
Speed is a concern, but I believe that Java can handle the load.
I just want to make sure that Java CAN handle the above requirements comfortably. I don't want to do the project in C++, but I will if it's required.
The reason C# is on there is because I thought it was a good alternative to Java, even though I don't like Windows at all and would prefer Java if all things are the same.
Python - I've read somethings on PyPy and pyscho that claim python can be optimized with JIT compiling to run at near C-like speeds... That's pretty much the only reason it is on this list, besides that fact that Python is a great language and would probably be the most enjoyable language to code in, which is not a factor at all for this project, but a perk.
To sum up:
real time production
weekly simulations of a large number of systems
weekly/monthly optimizations of portfolios
large numbers of connections to collect data from
There is no dealing with millisecond or even second based trades. The only consideration is if Java can possibly deal with this kind of load when spread out of a necessary amount of EC2 servers.
Thank you guys so much for your wisdom.
Pick the language you are most familiar with. If you know them all equally and speed is a real concern, pick C.
While I am a huge fan of Python and personaly I'm not a great lover of Java, in this case I have to concede that Java is the right way to go.
For many projects Python's performance just isn't a problem, but in your case even minor performance penalties will add up extremely quickly. I know this isn't a real-time simulation, but even for batch processing it's still a factor to take into consideration. If it turns out the load is too big for one virtual server, an implementation that's twice as fast will halve your virtual server costs.
For many projects I'd also argue that Python will allow you to develop a solution faster, but here I'm not sure that would be the case. Java has world-class development tools and top-drawer enterprise grade frameworks for parallell processing and cross-server deployment and while Python has solutions in this area, Java clearly has the edge. You also have architectural options with Java that Python can't match, such as Javaspaces.
I would argue that C and C++ impose too much of a development overhead for a project like this. They're viable inthat if you are very familiar with those languages I'm sure it would be doable, but other than the potential for higher performance, they have nothing else to bring to the table.
C# is just a rewrite of Java. That's not a bad thing if you're a Windows developer and if you prefer Windows I'd use C# rather than Java, but if you don't care about Windows there's no reason to care about C#.
I would pick Java for this task. In terms of RAM, the difference between Java and C++ is that in Java, each Object has an overhead of 8 Bytes (using the Sun 32-bit JVM or the Sun 64-bit JVM with compressed pointers). So if you have millions of objects flying around, this can make a difference. In terms of speed, Java and C++ are almost equal at that scale.
So the more important thing for me is the development time. If you make a mistake in C++, you get a segmentation fault (and sometimes you don't even get that), while in Java you get a nice Exception with a stack trace. I have always preferred this.
In C++ you can have collections of primitive types, which Java hasn't. You would have to use external libraries to get them.
If you have real-time requirements, the Java garbage collector may be a nuisance, since it takes some minutes to collect a 20 GB heap, even on machines with 24 cores. But if you don't create too many temporary objects during runtime, that should be fine, too. It's just that your program can make that garbage collection pause whenever you don't expect it.
Why only one language for your system? If I were you, I will build the entire system in Python, but C or C++ will be used for performance-critical components. In this way, you will have a very flexible and extendable system with fast-enough performance. You can find even tools to generate wrappers automatically (e.g. SWIG, Cython). Python and C/C++/Java/Fortran are not competing each other; they are complementing.
Write it in your preferred language. To me that sounds like python. When you start running the system you can profile it and see where the bottlenecks are. Once you do some basic optimisations if it's still not acceptable you can rewrite portions in C.
A consideration could be writing this in iron python to take advantage of the clr and dlr in .net. Then you can leverage .net 4 and parallel extensions. If anything will give you performance increases it'll be some flavour of threading which .net does extremely well.
Edit:
Just wanted to make this part clear. From the description, it sounds like parallel processing / multithreading is where the majority of the performance gains are going to come from.
It is useful to look at the inner loop of your numerical code. After all you will spend most of your CPU-time inside this loop.
If the inner loop is a matrix operation, then I suggest python and scipy, but of the inner loop if not a matrix operation, then I would worry about python being slow. (Or maybe I would wrap c++ in python using swig or boost::python)
The benefit of python is that it is easy to debug, and you save a lot of time by not having to compile all the time. This is especially useful for a project where you spend a lot of time programming deep internals.
I would go with pypy. If not, http://lolcode.com/.
I'm asked to shorten the start-up period of a long starting app, however I have also to obligate to my managers to the amount of time i will reduce the startup - something like 10-20 seconds.
As I'm new in my company I said I can obligate with timeframe of months (its a big server and I'm new and I plan to do lazy load + performance tuning).
That answer was not accepted I was required to do some kind of a cache to hold important data in another server and then when my server starts up it would reach all its data from that cache - I find it a kind of a workaround and I don't really like it.
do you like it?
What do you think I should do?
PS when I profiled the app I saw many small issues that make the start-up long (like 2 minutes) it would not be a short process to fix all and to make lazy load.
Any kind of suggestions would help.
Language is Java.
Thanks
Rule one of performance optimisation: measure it. Get hard figures. At each stage of optimisation measure the performance gain/loss/lack of change. You (and your managers) are not in a position to say that a particular optimisation will or will not work before you try it and measure it. You can always ask to test & measure a solution before implementing it.
Rule two of performance optimisation (or anything really): choose your battles. Please bear in mind that your managers may be very experienced with the system in question, and may know the correct solution already; there may be other things (politics) involved as well, so don't put your position at risk by butting heads at this point.
I agree with MatthieuF. The most important thing to do is to measure it. Then you need to analyze the measurements to see which parts are most costly and also which resource (memory, CPU, network, etc) is the bottleneck.
If you know these answers you can propose solutions. You might be able to create small tests (proof of concepts) of your solution so you can report back early to your managers.
There can be all kind of solutions for example simply buying more hardware might be the best way to go. It's also possible that buying more hardware will have no results and you need to make modifications. The modifications can be optimizing the software, the database or other software. It might be to choose better algorithms, to introduce caching (in expense of more memory usage) or introduce multi threading to take advantage of multiple CPU cores. You can also make modifications to the "surroundings" of your application such as the configuration/version of your operating system, Java virtual machine, application server, database server and others. All of these components have settings which can affect the performance.
Again, it's very important to measure, identify the problem, think of a solution, build solution (maybe in proof of concept) and measure if solution is working. Don't fall in to the trap of first choosing a solution without knowing the problem.
It sounds to me as if you've come in at a relatively junior position, and your managers don't (yet) trust your abilities and judgment.
I don't understand why they would want you to commit to a particular speed-up without knowing if it was achievable.
Maybe they really understand the code and its problems, and know that a certain level of speed-up is achievable. In this case, they should have a good idea how to do it ... so try and get them to tell you. Even if their ideas are not great, you will get credit for at least giving them a try.
Maybe they are just trying to apply pressure (or pass on pressure applied to them) in order to get you to work harder. In this case, I'd probably give them a worth-while but conservative estimate. Then spend some time investigating the problems more thoroughly. And if after a few days research you find that your "off the cuff" estimates are significantly off the mark, go back to the managers with a more accurate estimate.
On the technical side, a two minute start-up times sounds rather excessive to me. What is the application doing in all that time? Loading data structures from files or a database? Recalculating things? Profiling may help answer some of these questions, but you also need to understand the system's architecture to make sens of the profile stats.
Without knowing what the real issues are here, I'd suggest trying to get the service to become available early while doing some of the less critical initialization in the background, or lazily. (And your managers' idea of caching some important data may turn out to be a good one, if viewed in this light.) Alternatively, I'd see if it was feasible to implement a "hot standby" for the system, or replicate it in such a way that allowed you to reduce startup times.
I want to know how Java (JSP) on Tomcat compares to PHP on Apache in terms of performance.
Two servers with the same hardware configurations, one running Tomcat/Java (JSP) the other Apache/PHP, both servers maxed out with how many connections they can handle at once. Would they be somewhat close or would one pull away from the other one by a large margin? I basically just want to know if Tomcat/Java (JSP) is going to be a big performance hit if I switch to it vs PHP. If anyone can give a detailed answer on why one is faster than the other that would be amazing. Links are great too, I was unable to find anything online surprisingly.
Please no Java vs PHP wars, this is about performance only, nothing to do with the languages themselves.
Note: If there is any other concerns I should have for switching to Java from PHP please let me know. I REALLY hate asking this question because I'm usually the first person to say "program in what you like" but in my situation I need whats also good for the projects I work for. I know that there are large sites written in JSP, but it doesn't mean that they're better.
Thanks
What's good for the projects you're working on is to spend as little time as possible to write them as developer time is way more expensive than any perceived differences in performance. So stick with what you're familiar with.
The answer to your question is: they are both fast enough.
Any such comparison is hard because you end up doing things differently in different languages. Java bytecode is probably faster to interpret but then again any decent PHP install uses as opcode cache largely negating any such advantage in real terms.
Java also has a more complicated development model because Web processes are persistent. This can have a performance advantage but also can create problems like memory and other resource leakage, which PHP doesn't tend to have because everything is created and destroyed on each request (barring session information, memcache and so on).
Also PHP extensions can be created for any parts that you want to speed up.
$10,000 can buy an awful lot of hardware. It can buy the hardware to run SO. It doesn't buy much developer time.
I've got experience doing both Java and PHP development. I will generally choose PHP for Web development because of:
quicker to test changes in development (ie no build/deploy steps and Java hot-deploy has serious limitations). Words cannot express how freeing it is to test changes by saving the file you're working on and clicking reload on a browser vs running an Ant/Maven build process;
far fewer issues of memory/resource leakage;
extensive library of functions to do pretty much anything you want;
cheaper to host (at the low end).
I will use Java for some things, like anything that involves a lot of background processing and threading, which aren't PHP's strong points.
You'll note that performance (or the lack thereof) doesn't even rate as a reason for or again.
Sorry if that doesn't answer your question, but such concerns over performance are a pointless distraction.
The best way to answer performance questions is with a benchmark. Implement some simple page in both PHP and Java and then benchmark them using ab (Apache Benchmark).
Having said that, I suspect Java will outperform PHP because of the nature of the 2 platforms. Java is compiled to optimized bytecode (once) and then interpreted by a virtual machine. When Tomcat runs, the JVM loads the classes required for any given page and keeps them in memory so they're ready to go when an HTTP request hits the web server. Contrast that with PHP which reloads and re-interprets the code from scratch with each invocation by Apache. This is helped to a large degree by op-code caching, but still not to the level of what happens in the JVM.