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I don't have much experience in frameworks or languages, so i need your help.
Here's what i've done so far so you can understand where i'm coming from.
I've developed a web app using Java/Spring MVC/Hibernate. on the front end i've got some jquery datatables doing ajax calls to a db, another pages executes a stored prod and thats about it.
Now i got fed up with all the configuration, beans, hibernate mapppings, spring mappings, apache tiles, and the list goes on.
I had a play with Groovy/Grails and that seems so much easier, but that means i need to learn groovy and i've heard about it's performance weakness.
So i ran into Play Framework, can someone tell me if Play would make my life easier with the above scenario or should i just go into Groovy/Grails or even scala/lift.
I don't have too much time on my hands to pick up another language so if i can stay with core Java and use Play that would be great.
So is my described headache the reason why there's RoR/python-django, grails ect,ect? or is it something else?
thanks,
glenn.
I can tell you from the perspective of a 10 year J2EE developer who went from JSP/servlet to Grails to Play. 6 years ago I discovered groovy and I liked it very much, I've been using groovy and it's GSP templates in my other projects for code generation. I really love groovy syntax. Because you can do a lot in a single line of code ;) Because of groovy I tried Grails. But, besides the use of the language to code something in perhaps some 20% of the project time, you are 80% dealing with Grails conventions. How do they map this and that and to the persistence layer (which is JPA underneath the surface). So you're browsing the docs most of the time.
Then I found play. It really felt natural. Everything is so quick with it. Everything is direct, it is 80% undisturbed, productive coding, only 20% reading the docs. The code completion of any Java IDE is literally sufficient support. In Grails you either need a Grails IDE or you find yourself frequently browsing the docs.
The biggest attractor of Play to me is the hot code swap feature, which nearly completely eliminates the build phase. Play's class enhancers give you enough comfort to get over the loss of those dynamic finders in Grails. In the meantime, I even write my own enhancers to get even more comfort.
In a real project, the strongly typed Java language is a huge benefit to all developers. You just can't break it so easily as you can with groovy.
Also, if you look at the Play package, you always get reasonable defaults. Things that all developers like. jQuery based CRUD, beautiful code samples, good visual experience. And it's all as minimalistic as possible. Which means, you can always go to the play framework source itself and read the code to understand play's behavior.
So to sum up, after 10 year of Java and J2EE frustration and almost giving up on Java I switched back to it as implemented by Play, because in Play it is so much fun and I now love it again. I recommended play to 2 other developer friends and they love it too. It feels like the Java that it should have been in the first place. Fast, clean, secure & a lot of fun. I will never use something else based on Java, not even for a simple main() ;)
Play!
After 6 or 7 years of Spring/Hibernate, a couple of more with JSP/EJB I was done with the Java world, looking for other alternatives like Scala, Node.js, Rails, etc. Play Framework has made me fall in love with Java all over again, even though I do recommend Scala.
I have lots of information about Play on my blog http://geeks.aretotally.in and http://playframework.info.
It's super easy to pick up, it's crazy productive and you will have lots of fun!
If you ask a Play framework guy, he will tell you to use Play. If you ask a Scala/Lift guy, he will tell you to use Scala/Lift.
Ideally you'd like to find someone who has used Groovy/Grails, Scala/Lift, and Play, but unfortunately there are not too many of those around.
FWIW, I use Groovy and Grails, and like it a lot. If you already know Java, Spring, and Hibernate you already know most of what you need to be productive with Groovy/Grails.
If you don't want to spend a lot of time learning a new language, I'd stay away from Scala, as it's a very different language to Java, whereas Groovy is almost a superset of Java, and with a familiar syntax.
I know virtually nothing about Play, but I'd be concerned about the size of the community - check the number of Play and Grails questions on stackoverflow for a rough comparison.
Grails 2.0 performance will be pretty much on par with the static typed languages out there.
Based on your current architecture, Grails would be the most natural fit - you can re-use all existing classes and code without an issue, and have it directly picked up. You can freely use #Autowired and other Spring annotations, java code, and Grails picks it up - because Grails is Spring under the covers. The only part that might need a little tweaking are JSPs, but I was able to get existing JSPs and custom taglibs working without an issue. Grails uses SiteMesh to compose it's Groovy Server Pages (think JSP groovy-ized, and removing some of the JSP restriction gotchas).
Nothing against Play, Lift, Clojure's web framework, SEAM, or any of the other frameworks out there -- but if you want a simple transition from what you have to something a little more productive, then Grails would be the closest fit.
Of course these days, just about every one of those frameworks supports polyglot programming - you use Scala for something, Groovy for something else, and Java all around - compilers, build environments, and tools are all addressing polyglot development.
Long story short, it comes down to requirements and risk management - do you need functional programming, dynamic typing, re-use of your Spring controllers, or just some simplification and productivity boosts?
Even a simple Spring 3.1 upgrade may eliminate some of your XML files for annotations and solve most of your problems.
Happy Hunting!
I need to choose a language/platform for the new development of a series of services in a SOA. I'm looking into Scala and Clojure but don't think the community and products are mature enough for a real-world enterprise product yet.
Update/Clarifications:
Of course we can use many languages/platforms for SOA but some language/platforms are easier and more suited for an SOA. IMO the best ones for SOA should allow interface programming (to ease definition of contracts), should have options for hosting the services (like Felix for Java or WCF in .NET) and scale well (see Twitter issues with RoR).
Java has always been the favourite in the enterprise market. However, many developers are looking into dynamic languages as well as talking about stagnation of Java after v6. As a result many new post Java languages have arrived: Scala, Clojure and Groovy to name a few that still run on JVM but are not Java.
I hope these clarify the question.
Depends what you mean by "mature enough for a real-world enterprise product", and your relative level of tolerance for living on the cutting edge.
For example, I'm currently building a "real-world enterprise product" in Clojure (I'd have been equally happy with Scala, it was only that Clojure fitted my needs slightly better from the concurrency and meta-programming perspective).
I'm very happy with my decision.
Some quick perspectives if you are considering this "post-Java" path:
The communities are great and supportive, but you'll still have to solve problems yourself, if only because nobody else has run into the same problem yet. None of these are likely to be insurmountable, but it does present a bit of extra risk to delivery schedules.
Both Scala and Clojure can be very productive (in terms of value delivered to customers per hour coding), but you can equally well write bad and unmaintainable code in any langauge. Java pretty much forces you to write things in a standardised, somewhat verbose but syntactically simple and understandable way. With Scala and Clojure you get a whole new arsenal of crazy ways to hit your target or shoot yourself in the foot. Is your team going to be able to make the best use of Scala/Clojure advantages?
It's harder (though by no means impossible) to bring skilled people on board with existing Clojure/Scala skills. On the flipside, the people who do have these skills (or are keen to acquire them) are likely to be among the more talented / motivated developers so the search may still be productive.
Be prepared to make tough decisions regarding whether to target language/library features that are "just round the corner". For example, do you wait for the enhanced primitive support coming in Clojure 1.3? Or make do with the perfectly adequate but slower boxed primitive functions in Clojure 1.2?
A great benefit of being on the JVM is that you can still take full advantage of the Java ecosystem without being tied to Java as a language. Don't underestimate how useful this is: for example, I use a number of extremely well tested, mature Java libraries (e.g. Netty) pretty much transparently in my Clojure application. This significantly reduces your risk and the amount of new development that you need to do.
At the moment (having just completed a services/integration project ) Jersey on top of Spring are right up there on my favourites list for web services.
I can't offer any suggestions for a SOA framework, last time I was involved in that type of thing we user Oracle BPEL Process Manager and I have mixed feelings about it. We weren't using REST then either and I'm not sure how well the Oracle software works with it.
For me python seems the easiest way to do some SOA and have interoperability with Windows computers. I don't have frameworks name but there is a lot of them in SOAP, REST, RPC...
I need your advice about framework selection (Java vs Mono) for a new large scale web project which will be developed for linux hardware.
Which platform do you prefer and why ?
Best Regards,
Sirmak
Since you haven't specified anything about the project nor the developers' expertise, they are the same. Both have a lot of strengths and weaknesses, both are free, and both can use high-level languages which get precompiled, the precompiled stuff getting interpreted at runtime. Both have tons of technologies to do a "large scale web project" including technologies for abstracting the DB layer and doing pages and templating. Both have many many many MVC frameworks. Both have CMSes available. Both have ways to work with mobile devices, and multiple UI frameworks.
If you have no specific needs whatsoever, flip a coin. You'll be fine with either. On the other hand, you might want to know your project a bit better before asking this question.
Edit: If you have a "strong .Net background" as you say in your comment under your question, then Mono is a great fit. It's not that Mono allows you to do "something like" .Net: Mono allows you to run .Net assemblies without any alteration in most cases. This means that you can develop in .Net yet deploy on Mono (Of course you'll want to be testing on Mono during the entire development cycle), or develop for Mono without retraining your developers. Mono is, in 2009, mature and being used in many places.
As far as distributed searching/caching goes, what technologies are you looking at in Java that might work? This will give the Mono experts a chance to propose Mono alternatives.
Another thing you need to consider are the skill sets of the people working on this, and how easy you'll find it in the future to hire Java/Mono people wherever you are (or are you willing to train them).
You can specify a great framework, but if you can't find people to work on it then you've got a major problem.
Sirmak, You should check out this post where they talk about Mono performance. This might factor into your concern. In summary, Mono is still slower compared to others.
If gathering requirements for a medium-to-large web-based project, at what point should one consider using Java-based back-end, JSP, etc, over a scripting language like PHP, Python, or Ruby?
Hearing "use the right tool...", when is Java the right tool for web-based projects?
What is the "Best" language is often degrades to an emotional debate rather than practical. Champions of each language are extremely good at making arguments for why each language is the best. I ususally look ata couple of factors:
A) What languages are you and your team confortable with?
B) Is there an existing application/system to be extended or integrated? If so, what languages are most effective for such an integration
C) Are there built in or redily available libararies, components, etc that will allow you to more effectively produce results in one language over another
My decisions almost always boil down to what language/platform is my team going to be most effective on both developming and maintaining.
In my opinion, the language decision cannot be made independently of the larger development and runtime platform. This is implied by what James Conigliaro wrote, and also by what jonnii wrote, but neither called it out specifically.
Making such a decision, people often use unwarranted relative weightings for different evaluation criteria. For example, one of the criteria might be "runs on iPhone." But if you are not actually developing on an iPhone, you really don't care.
"Performance" is another criterion that can get an unwarranted weighting. Most Intel-based servers today, costing let's say $2000 without storage, are plenty fast to support a fairly high-volume web site regardless of your choice of language. If your load exceeds that which can be run on a single server (don't assume!), or if you need to share the server among different workloads, then perf may become more important. But generally your app load will fit in a 1-server box.
The development environment, including the IDE but also the source code control, the configuration management, and defect tracking - I guess what you might call application lifecycle stuff - is more important, in my opinion, than the language per se.
Another aspect you may wish to consider is, the "pull" the language itself will have on devs for your team. In the early days of Java, you could attract devs just by saying "we're doing it in Java." Now, that phenomenon has largely faded for Java, but in pockets it may still be true for other langs and platforms. This factor may or may not be important to you.
Pick the language/platform that your team is most comfortable using, the one which matches your deployment target and that you're mostly proficient in.
I have over 20 years of programming experience and I learned one important fact: it doesn't matter which tool you use, as long as you're comfortable using that tool. For larger teams, all team members must be comfortable with the choice you made.
I always tell people that it doesn't matter which tools you used to create an application. All that counts is if it will work as expected.
I'm planning to use Java for a project served using Google App Engine (Java support, of course). This is not The Answer [tm], but only my 2 cents :-)
Whoever has the libraries you need:
If you want to customize something pre-made, use PHP. This will usually be shopping carts, forums, and CMS
Java will have more libraries for random things (like fetching RSS feeds)
Don't know about Python/Ruby on Rails;
Rails is simple to learn, well organized and well documented. It's also agile and RAD (rapid application development). It's not perfect, but you could give it a try. It's another take on the web development. Java web framework are not so easy to understand and start is not so simple IMHO.
If you have to build a large web application, with rails you could separate the monolith app with different apps and then use ActiveResource restfully.
http://guides.rubyonrails.org
Almost always :-)
What I mean is that you can do any web project with Java/JSP adding more or less to the mix ( Spring, iBatis, etc )
But, as already pointed out, there are cases when you decide to use something else because for instance your team has a lot of experience with younameit and no experience with java or things like that.
I'd like to know how you address the seemingly low productivity of Java EE-based web application development compared to other technology stacks (Seaside, Ruby on Rails, etc).
The constraints are:
The finished web application must be deployable on Java EE compliant application containers
If possible, previous investment in Java-based solution should be preserved, i.e. native interoperability with Java-based systems and libraries should be possible
Due to team structure, Java as implementation language is preferred, although less exotic JVM-based languages (i.e. Groovy) might be acceptable as well
The resulting system needs to be architecturally sound
The resulting system needs to be extensible and maintainable
To not let this dwindle into a philosophical discussion, I'm only interested in suggestions that are based on practical experience. Possible examples include domain specific languages, frameworks and MDSD.
If you point to an abstract class of solutions (like MDA / MDSD), please provide details on how you implemented it as well as information about common pitfalls and best practices.
If you disagree on the assumption that Java EE-based web application development implies inferior productivity, I'd like to hear your reasoning as well.
EDIT:
As there are a lot less answers than I expected, I'll accept accounts of abortive attempts as well, basically extending the question to "How (not) to improve productivity when developing Java EE based web applications?".
I believe the Java EE Java stack is actually very good. There are a few reasons explaining the low productivity of Java EE:
Being “the enterprise stack”, it is often used to create boring, ugly, “good enough” applications and, in general, enterprises tend not to attract great developers who love programming, and think and care about what they do. The quality of software in the enterprise world is not great.
Being the enterprise stack where the money is, software vendors try to sell something to them. They create huge, complex and expensive solutions not because they are good, but simply because they could sell them to enterprises.
Enterprises are often very risk averse and everything they do better be “standardized”. Standards are created either after some technology proved to be successful or before. In both cases, it’s bad for enterprises (and Java). Enterprises end up using either good technology too late or a downright failed technology. The latter case is also very dangerous because it creates a false perception that a technology (otherwise a complete failure) must be good if it is standardized and everyone is using it.
Historically, Java EE platform seemed to have attracted a lot of architecture astronauts and developers in big companies promoted to architects whose only purpose was to create more layers, more frameworks, more abstractions and more complexity.
It’s not that there are no good Java tools and frameworks; it’s that there are too many bad ones, too many over-engineered ones, too many bureaucratic processes and methodologies, too many useless standards.
In such a messy world it’s not just the particular selection of tools you choose that affects your productivity. It’s mainly about you, about your values, about how you can reject the majority of solutions proposed to you by the community, vendors, co-workers and managers. It’s about you going against the current, about your common sense, about you questioning every mainstream belief and “best practice”.
That said, tools alone are not going to change your productivity much, and conversely, the right people can be productive with inferior tools too.
My advice:
Don’t use a technology only because it’s standard, because everyone uses it, or because it’s officially recommended by Sun. Use a technology only if you personally think it’s the best tool for your job. This way you may find yourself rejecting technologies such as JSF, JSP, Web services, JMS, EJB, JTA, OSGi, MDA.
Keep it simple, use your common sense, question everything. Do you really need to publish your objects for remote access? Do you really need to create another abstraction layer so that you can switch from Hibernate to TopLink? Do you really need to convert your data to/from XML ten times every time you need them? Do you really need XML schema? Do you really need everything to be configurable are interchangeable? At runtime? By non-developers?
Keep the process simple. Be agile. Do you really need that documentation? Do you really need to describe every screen in a huge table, have it approved, type it in to some home-made tool and then generate JSP? Do you have competent programmers or you design everything first and programmers only “translate” to Java?
WYSIWYG design of HTML doesn’t work.
Graphical programming in general doesn’t work. This includes UML as blueprint and UML as programming language, MDA, drawing page flow diagrams. Code generation is bad.
Never design a framework prior to using it, always harvest a framework.
Prefer frameworks that have only little XML configuration.
Strive for low LOC count. Look at actual characters in your code. Is every character important? Think. What can you do to make your code smaller? Do you need that class? What does it do? Why do you need to do that?
Testing is not sacred cow; you don’t need 100 % test coverage. Test only what makes sense. If it’s difficult to test, make it simpler; or don’t test it at all. Don’t test visual appearance.
And finally, some concrete Java recommendations:
For presentation layer try Tapestry. Why do I love it? Because with Tapestry you can create beautiful code. It’s designed specifically for that, so that your code can be beautiful. Your code. By beautiful I mean everything that matters – it’s short, easy to change, easy to read, easy to create your abstractions, and still flexible, it doesn’t try to hide the fact that you are developing for the web. Of course, it’s still you who makes your code beautiful.
Feel free to use Hibernate, especially for CRUD and large apps. Don’t bother with JPA. It’s not a silver bullet though, with ORM you are always going to trade one set of problems with another.
Only a little Spring, you shouldn’t need much since you’ve carefully avoided all the Java EE traps. Use dependency injection sparingly.
After all of that, you may find the Java language too verbose and not very helpful when abstracting away you copy/pasted code. If you want to experiment, try Scala. The problem is that the main selling point of Scala is that you get all the benefits of modern languages while still keeping type safety, and at the same time, there is no solid IDE support. Being used to super-cool Java IDEs, it doesn’t make much sense to switch to Scala unless there’s an IDE support that is stable and reliable. Stable enough is not enough.
Frameworks like Spring, Hibernate, Wicket certainly help to simplify and accelerate web development as they provide a high degree of testability and integrate very well. But it's not enough to reach RoR productivity, even if you have a good set of development practices. There is still too much technical stuff and plumbing required.
Grails is maybe the missing piece in this picture to get closer to RoR. It's my next experimentation.
BTW, my MDA experiences are the contrary of a productivity improvement so I won't mention them (actually, MDA was killing our productivity).
Javarebel can greatly reduce time spent during web development using Java.
Let me quote here the official website:
JavaRebel is a JVM plugin (-javaagent) that enables you to see changes to your code immediately, without the need to redeploy an application or perform a container restart. If you're tired of watching the logs roll by, and want to see your changes so that you can keep going - JavaRebel is your new best friend.
One important point when discussing Java EE productivity: you should be using Java EE 5 and EJB3.x since they provide for new level of productivity (and functionality) compared to previous releases.
Staying within standard Java EE specs is absolutely important, e.g. using Hibernate instead of JPA is not beneficial to productivity. There is no limitation to fall back to Hibernate features when using JPA, but by using Hibernate instead of JPA you are locked in into single persistence provider with no cheap way out. The whole idea behind using standards is the same: conceptual flexibility (by plugging in different implementations) with available extensibility (by using proprietary extensions if absolutely necessary). Java EE 5 and EJB3 are huge steps in this direction. Of course, you want to minimize any proprietary features but if some seem absolutely necessary it's a good sign that they will be part of spec in next release...
Main obstacles to Java EE productivity are in its enterprise focus (offers a lot more than than needed for majority of projects) and in its legacy (backward compatibility). There is also a lot more to be done in presentation tier with JSF and state management - watch for JSR-299 to address these among other improvements.
Grails is a Java webapp framework very much modelled after Ruby on Rails, with similar principles (DRY, CoC) and productivity gains, but based on existing Java frameworks (Spring, Hibernate, several others).
I've been working on an exploratory project using Grails for a few weeks now (no previous experience in Grails or Groovy), and I'm quite impressed. There are a few rough edges - it's not as mature as RoR, but you can get results quickly and there's never the feeling that the framework is getting in your way.
Maybe it's best illustrated by this concrete example: I wanted to edit a 2D array of domain objects in a grid on a single webpage and found that the automatic mapping of the resulting HTML request data to the domain objects (provided by Spring MVC, I believe) had a bug that caused some data to be mapped to the wrong objects. I looked around on the web for an hour, but apparently nobody had encountered or solved the problem. Eventually I decided to forego the automatic mapping and do it "manually" - and then found that it took me no more than about 10 lines of code...
It's often cited that RoR and similar frameworks based on dynamic languages are more productive environments, but I am really interested to know if there are hard data to back this up. This wouldn't be easy, as one should be made certain that she is not comparing apples with oranges. Things like type of project (web 2.0, enterprise application) and team size should be taken into consideration. However, for small projects it is more than evident that such frameworks are indeed far more productive than Java EE. So this is a short list of arguments used to support this and what you can do for them in the Java world.
Ruby is a more intuitive and concise language. You can do the same thing with much less code.
I don't think you can have the same thing in Java, unless of course you use a dynamic language that runs in the JVM (JRuby, Scala, Groovy). Otherwise, your IDE can help. In Jave an IDE is an essential tool and it will pay you back if you learn to use it well (code generation, snippets, refactoring). In fact there are many things you can do with a Java IDE that are simply impossible to do with a Ruby or Python IDE. Plus you have the benefits of a static typed language. It may take more time to type, but it helps you avoid common mistakes.
Ruby is much more fun to use. Makes the developer happier and more productive.
Same as above. Highly subjective argument in my opinion though.
Convention over configuration makes things faster
A dependency injection framework like Spring or Guice can help
Scaffolding, MVC already there for you.
Again Java MVC frameworks can help
Databases made easy. Load database items as objects. Can change the database on the fly.
Hibernate, iBatis or another ORM framework can help. With Hibernate Tools you can achieve similar functionality with what you have in RoR with yml files
Load new modules instantly
Maven or Ant Ivy can help
Easy deployment for testing
Your IDE or Jetty can help. In fact debugging is easier with Java
Testing integrated with the framework. Use of mock objects facilitate testing
A dependency injection framework can help with mock objects. JUnit was a pioneer of unit frameworks. I don't think that Java is less easy to test.
I would definitely go for Spring together with Hibernate for persistency related stuff.
Why Spring?
The advantage of using Spring instead of another framework is that Springs philosophy is to be "non-invasive". Usually when you're using a framework most probably you'll start to depend on that framework which can be a bad issue if the application is considered to run for a longer time where you then have also to do maintenance etc. Spring uses the so-called "Inversion of Control" (IoC) pattern. Basically your code doesn't (it can but it doesn't have to) call Spring, but Spring will call you (Hollywood principle: "don't call me, I'll call you"). So for instance you can use normal POJOs (Plain Old Java Objects) and you don't have to inherit from any framework-related classes/interfaces.
Another big problem (if not the biggest) in Software Engineering are dependencies. You'll fight for reducing them as much as possible since they will make your life harder (especially in maintenance later on). Spring reduces dependencies among your components drammatically by managing the instantiation of components through configuration files and the dependency injection pattern. I wouldn't want to go on, the best thing is that you start reading some tutorials at the official Spring website. Initially it may need some time in the understanding but once you got it you'll earn a lot of benefits.
Since Jython 2.5 you can use django to satisfy the requirements you listed. It's pretty easy to generate war files from django projects and deploy them on J2EE application servers.
Just wanted to pitch in another idea... you can actually use JRuby and Rails (similar to the previous comment about Django and Jython).
If you use JRuby with Rails and JRuby Rack (and maybe some other utilities... I wasn't the one to actually get the integration going initially), you can deploy JRuby Rails additions to an existing Java web app. We have a legacy JSP application deployed with Tomcat, and are now starting to add new pages using Rails with just that setup (in addition to extending the JSP side when necessary). So far it has been quite successful, though we don't have any of the major high traffic pages implemented in Rails, so I don't know how well it will scale.
We have full access to the session, and have even set up mechanisms to invoke JSPs from Rails pages (such as existing header and footer type JSP includes). It takes some effort and trial and error to fully integrate the 2, but if Rails and JRuby is an option, I highly recommend it (as a personal fan of Ruby).
A colleague has dabbled in JBoss Seam, which is a framework by Gavin King (the guy who brought us Hibernate), which was meant to emulate Rails. Having seen both, I feel Rails is a lot easier to develop with.
Use AOP (Aspect Oriented Programming) for cross cutting aspects like logging, authorization etc. You can either use Spring AOP or AspectJ. It makes code clutter free and maintainable.
I've used Jboss Seam for the past couple of years and find it to be very productive way to develop in Java EE (utilising EJB3, Hibernate, Facelets). I also do the odd bit of PHP coding on the side and can honestly say that I'm more productive with Seam (although that's probably also an indication of my PHP skills.)
For me a couple of the highlights would be:
Hot deploy of code (an absolute must-have)
DRY with Facelets
Annotation based configuration
Extensive drop-in components (especially ajax4jsf)
IDE Support from Jboss Tools
There are tools in the IDE and from the command line to build skeleton code in a similar way to RoR.
Well, I'm not really a Java guy, so I can't say much, except for... JSF
We tried to use it for some time and it was a disaster. Almots all basics steps had to be passed with lots of pain, no documentation, no examples, no community knowledge. We used then one plugin for Eclipse (Exadel Studio), we had a look at a few other JSF frameworks, they were all incompatible and poorly documented. As a matter of fact, of all those we tried, only Sun framework (forgot its name, based on NetBeans) could create a new JSF project even compilable out of the box. The rest required many days of configuration of apache and other things, which for an unexperienced person is a real challenge (though I managed it).
Our team spent a few months on something which was done later in just a few weeks with ASP.NET. People were both inexperienced in JSF and ASP.NET.
If JSF ecosystem is still that bad as it was in 2007, I would recommend avoiding it altogether, productivity is out of the question anyway. Maybe stick with JSP or something that is time-proved and well developed?
I would go with the Lift framework written in Scala. You will see a great productivity boost just by switching to Scala. Scala is also very stable and it's extremely easy to call Java code from your Scala code. Not only that but it's quite similar to Java but with some added features. For some examples you should refer to 5 Things a Java developer needs to know about Scala. Twitter will move part of it's codebase to Scala.
You will never "get stuck" on a piece of code because you can just think about how you would do it in Java and write similar code. First class functions and actors will give you an even greater productivity boost and are both in Scala. Scala is of course statically typed and has a performance that is similar to Java.
I will quote the author of the Lift framework for an description of it:
Lift borrows from the best of existing
frameworks, providing
Seaside's highly granular sessions and security Rails fast flash-to-bang
Django's "more than just CRUD is included"
Wicket's designer-friendly templating style (see Lift View
First)
And because Lift applications are
written in Scala, an elegant new JVM
language, you can still use your
favorite Java libraries and deploy to
your favorite Servlet Container. Use
the code you've already written and
deploy to the container you've already
configured!
Some basic rules:
Kick out the appserver - a HUGE win in turnaround and quality. Keep a web container if you have to, but configure everything in Spring and/or Hibernate so the web.xml is minimal.
Test everything, which you can now do because of step 1 (no deploy-time XMLs or code generation needed: everything is configured in the development already).
Use Wicket to implement your web tier - nobody needs JSP any more; Wicket is 10 times more productive plus easy to test (see step 2).
Use SCRUM and agile development methodologies
The result is Java productivity as high as 4GLs allow - we at Atomikos have several migration projects we did like this. Because we migrated from 4GL platforms to Java/Java EE, we could compare the estimates in both.
Also see this blog post: http://blog.atomikos.com/?p=87
HTH
Guy