Closed. This question needs to be more focused. It is not currently accepting answers.
Want to improve this question? Update the question so it focuses on one problem only by editing this post.
Closed 2 years ago.
Improve this question
I have to create an application which automates Outlook and Word and I want to use Java for that task. (The only allowed alternative would be VB6, so...)
After a quick Google survey I found several libraries, but I'm not sure which one to use:
J-Interop
SWT
JACOB
COM4J
jacoZoom
...
I have no idea how to compare these libraries and make an informed decision. It seems that COM4J is a little bit outdated, JACOB leaks memory (allegedly) and jacoZoom is commercial. Each and every one seems to require a lot of boilerplate code to perform a simple method call. (Which might be unavoidable given the design of COM)
Besides that I have no idea how to choose between one of them. Which one is the best?
We use Jacob in production environment and it works out pretty well. Nevertheless the projects seems to be not very active.
Speaking of which: Activity seems to be an advantage for J-Interop. We tried the project as well and it seems to work out pretty good with even better logging messages. I think we might choose J-Interop for new projects.
COM4J seems to be outdated, you're right.
As a developer seasoned in Java/Linux but ignorant in Windows, here was my experience (August 2015)...
Executive summary:
Go with com4j... with the caveat that:
You may need to build the latest (unreleased) code to get some important recent fixes.
Longer story:
At first, the propensity for code involving JNI to crash inexplicably made me look for a non-JNI solution. J-Interop seemed to fit the bill.
However, as I tried to get j-interop to work, all the Windows DCOM permissions and registry crap made it a total PITA. It's different for different versions of Windows, required changes must be made as Administrator, etc. I don't understand any of this Windows crap and it makes me want to puke anyway.
I then tried com4j and it worked like a champ. This project is very nicely designed. It auto-generates Java interfaces from the DLL's you are using. COM calling convention details are declared using Java annotations on the interface methods, allowing you to tweak these if necessary (no tweaks were necessary in my case).
There are several developers on github who have forked the project and contributed back fixes, which is a healthy sign.
The only caveat is that you may require some of the recent fixes which, as of August 2015, are merged into the project but not contained in the latest release (which is from March 2014).
So you may need to do a custom build yourself, which includes building DLL's in Visual Studio, etc. Even as a Windows hater/ignorant, I was able to do this.
COM4J still seems to be active - it has been moved to Github and has a new homepage:
http://com4j.kohsuke.org/tutorial.html
J-Integra by Intrinsyc Software http://j-integra.intrinsyc.com/ is your best option. It hides the complexity of having to know an unfamiliar programming language. It isn't dependent on JNI so you don't need to know JNI. J-Integra is also actively maintained and supported and Intrinsyc offers a pure 64-bit version for those people wanting to run in a pure 64-bit environment.
Intrinsyc offers free trials so you can test it out and see if it works before committing to any purchasing.
Companies like HP, IBM, SAP, and Oracle use it so you know its going to be fast, stable and well supported.
Appears bridj can do some COM interop as well: https://code.google.com/p/bridj/wiki/COM#Example
Related
Closed. This question does not meet Stack Overflow guidelines. It is not currently accepting answers.
We don’t allow questions seeking recommendations for books, tools, software libraries, and more. You can edit the question so it can be answered with facts and citations.
Closed 7 years ago.
Improve this question
After years in embedded programming, I have to develop a Windows app. I dug out my old C++ Builder and Delphi. These are great and the latest version costs over $1k, so I won't be going there.
What I particularly like is the VCL (visual component library) which let's me code my own components and share them with others, plus the thousands of existing 3rd party components. I noticed that there is now also a RAD PHP from Borland too.
I realize that MSVC, QT, NetBeans, etc are good enough IDEs for RAD, BUT does anything offer the ease of the Borland products for developing additional components - and does anything else have thousands to choose from?
PC based? Cross-platform is good. Browser based? Free is always good ;-)
I don't particularly care about the programming language.
I went with Lazarus and am pretty happy with it. I can't just recompile my code and expect it to run, but it covers 90% of my existing Delphi code. I'd recommend giving it a whirl before spending $1k for Delphi
Try Lazarus, Lazarus is a cross platform visual IDE for Pascal and Object Pascal developers. It is developed for and supported by the Free Pascal compiler. is available for several Linux distributions, FreeBSD, Microsoft Windows (win32/64/CE) and Mac OS X (including IPhone/IPad). The language syntax has excellent compatibility with Delphi (classes, rtti, exceptions, ansistrings, widestrings, interfaces).
for additional info check theses links
free pascal
Components and Code examples
Lazarus Components
SHORT
.net, it's the closest you will get
If you want develop desktop apps, Delphi is a clear winner: Single executable, no runtimes, few dependencies in the case you have to deploy an app with database access, native code
As already said, Lazarus + FreePascal makes for the "free Delphi" role. I personally didn't have a good experience with it - but I heard that got better since I last tried it.
(I'm talking of lazarus IDE, since FreePascal seems to be a very stable compiler and used by very serious Delphi projects for various purposes - like creating Win64 binaries, for example)
.NET, on the other side, offers some free solutions:
On the multiplatform side, Mono + MonoDevelop
On MS stack, the Visual Studio Express IDE.
All the choices allow you to visually create hierarchies of forms and change it in design time. Visual Form Inheritance, VFI for short, can save you a lot of time if done well.
Web things, the major players are Java (JSP and the like) and .NET (ASP.NET). Having done some webservice development in dotNet(1.1), I loved it for the simplicity. Seems Java boys have a lot more work to make things work (that was said from a Java enthusiast friend of mine) with SOAP Webservices.
The Visual Studio Express Editions are pretty good if you don't want to spend any money on an IDE. I started programming in C++ Builder and also liked the VCL a lot. I dabbled in Java a bit but found C# to be much closer to the C++ Builder/VCL experience.
http://www.microsoft.com/express/
You can always try these out and if you really like the environment the upgrades aren't too expensive to the full versions. I think the only major feature missing from express editions are plugins.
For the Java platform, Apache Click is a web based solution.
Highlights:
Very easy to learn
Component and Page Oriented design
Event base programming model
Stateless and stateful page support
Exceptional performance
Automatic form rendering and client/server side validation
Supports Velocity, JSP or FreeMarker page rendering
Supports Java 1.5 and up
Click examples are available online at http://www.avoka.com/click-examples/home.htm.
There are a number of extension projects that provides extra features and components.
Click applications can also run "in the cloud" on Google App Engine. This means you can develop and test them on a local app engine server and then deploy them to GAE which is free within the basic quota (up to several millions of requests per month).
Eclipse is also a great IDE, and there's a good number of libraries which can integrate into it, so Eclipse + free 3rd party components >= VCL.
If you are interested in PHP, the next version 6.9 of the NetBeans IDE will include support for the Zend Framework. Milestone 1 of NetBeans 6.9 is already available here (24 MB size).
A blog entry with screenshots can be found here: Zend Framework support.
There are quite a few options available. You can download the express versions of Visual Studio for free and they are quite good. Not as many features as the full paid versions but very close (however the C++ version DOES NOT support MFC/ATL only C++/Win32). This gives you great exposure to the .net framework if you wish to learn it.
I haven't used the free Delphi tools so I can't say what they're like.
You could also give Qt or WxWidgets a try as well. Both are great products but I think Qt is more mature and has a better component library. However both of them come with runtime components that have to be distributed with your app.
Closed. This question is opinion-based. It is not currently accepting answers.
Want to improve this question? Update the question so it can be answered with facts and citations by editing this post.
Closed 8 years ago.
Improve this question
For "best" I intend that the code shouldn't need, or need very few, platform specific tweaks.
I strongly recommend Java for cross-platform GUI development. In particular, I recommend the GUI builder that comes with the Netbeans IDE. It's very simple and very powerful. You can point and click and drag and drop to create a GUI, and easily customize the actions which various buttons and other components take.
I much prefer Python as a language, but none of the free tools for GUI development come anywhere close to this, and the same thing seems to be true for the other languages I've used. (I should point out that QT has wonderful GUI developers for various languages such as C and Python, but it's only free when used on open source projects.)
EDIT: QT has recently been relicensed as LGPL, so you're free to use it in commercial applications. The Python bindings for this (PyQT) have not been re-licensed, but another project called PySide has been created to provide Python QT bindings.
I personally despise the whole concept of emulating the native GUI that is where the Java GUIs are rooted. Instead of being at home wherever you go, it makes you a tourist everywhere, often needing an interpreter. The Eclipse GWT is a better toolkit that makes much better use of local resources, but it still holds that people love to write Java code, and hate to use Java applications, think of it: which Java applications you love on your desktop?
Tk is just as ugly and limited on any operating system you choose to run it onto, and the same goes for Qt, in my opinion.
Mono would need a good try, as it is a way to answer the question "why Linux sucks", if you remember that old post bi Miguel de Icaza. Mono comes with a mature set of widgets and Apis and does not try to limit what you can do in order to give you portability.
Silverlight is close to portable and has a great interface definition language, but lacks access to the system, you have to split the application between a server and UI even on the same machine to overcome it.
Adobe AIR is a dog and local system acces is not easy.
If I am able to choose, I tend to avoid GUIs altogether and try to use a web server, even a local web server, and Json, JQuery and all that stuff. I found out that I can have many more choices and am more productive than with native widgets. This combines the strengths of the use of a real language server side and the wonderful disordered geniality of JavaScript in the GUI.
Yes: use Eclipse RCP. You can write not only cross-platform, but e.g. multilingual applications with it. SWT provides the native look-and-feel for multiple platforms and windowing systems.
So as I understand it, there is currently NO truly cross-platform high level language & GUI toolkit right now.
Java is cross-platform, GUIs in both SWT and Swing can look good, when you really try hard to tweak them pixel-precise and provide modifications to the look to supported platforms. There are currently some good GUI designers, but nothing as great as OpenStep 15 years ago.
QT is now LGPL'ed so long as you only link to it dynamically. Well but QT has its own set of problems and is a superset of C++. You have to compile against QT-hacked compiler, not the generic C++ one.
didn't try the wxWidgets, but from the looks of it, it can work, but is NOT high level toolkit at all!
There seems to be an option to write in C# and opensourced .NET and run it via Mono in other platforms than Windows... Didn't try, but it seems to me, that is just porting Microsoft on other platforms.
There is GNUstep, but for now it looks for me, like it is only developped by some opensource geek fans. It would be really interesting to see the OpenStep stack outside of the Mac OS X, but for now this looks to me as not viable.
Even Java, while it is self-contained, does not currently provide great GUI designer capabilities. I used the GUI designer tool once when starting to learn how to code with SWT, and now I find myself coding it by hand, which is really not bad, but it really should not be necessary. But that was few years ago, I will have to try again.
You can of course create your cross-platform application core and service code in one language (Java, or C/C++ if you want speed), creating something like a server or unix tool and just connecting to it from the GUI that you create on each desired platform using its own tools. The result is that the GUI is platform native, taking advantages of the features of the platform, and should be fairly simple to create for each desired platform. (Cocoa on Mac and .Net on windows provide rich features for the platform they are native to).
We will have to look into the robustness and matureness of such ideal solution. It should have good commercial and comunity backing and be fairly evolved right now, so as the future implementations of such tools will provide us with more than the mere LOWEST COMMON DENOMINATOR for all the supported platforms, but to leverege the cross-platform tools to include and adopt well-designed concepts and rich features native to the relevant platforms and distribute them cross-platform.
Only than can be cross-platform development truly viable and adoptable in great numbers.
Suggestions?
Java is certainly nice, but I've been doing just fine with Python and Qt via PyQt4 lately. I find that I get things done faster than I did in Swing or SWT, too.
So far, no platform-specific tweaks have been necessary, and Qt4 widgets look nice on different platforms. The Qt GUI builder is very nice, and using Python has enabled easy integration with some other cross-platform frameworks (notably VTK, scipy-cluster, and some SWIG-wrapped objects for interfacing with files output from a performance tool).
Note that Qt is not free unless you use it on open source projects.
As long as someone defines "platform independence" correctly, Java is the best.
Some people argue that C# is the best, but those people seem to misunderstand the term
"platform independence" ;)
Note: I refer to the fact that C# is ported to Linux/Unixes only as long as Microsoft and Novel keep up their treaty. The community itself would never be able to maintain such huge platform as .NET
These days there are many languages that allow you to create cross-platform GUI applications efficiently. Java, Python, Tcl/tk, C#...
I think you need to define the requirements of your application a bit more, for instance:
Will the UI be Web-based, or desktop-based?
Is the application going to be a large or a small?
Will it feature some sort of "extension" feature (e.g. plug-ins)?
Will it function over a network, and is it likely to be distributed/load balanced?
The list can go on forever, work out the defining points about your application, and start researching the language based on the whole.
I would also consider Mono as serious contender for platform independence and a good IDE tool.
Java's performance sucks on the desktop. Just check http://www.codeproject.com/KB/dotnet/RuntimePerformance.aspx
For native binaries, wxWidgets is a convenient solution.
I would tell you that is even better than Java for the user experience side. Even though you can make the presentation layer look pretty much the same for all platforms in Java, they all look like Java. On the other hand, wxWidgets make the user feel like a platform specific build (and it is, indeed), but you can use the same code to compile for several platforms (at least the major ones).
I would think that it depends on what kind of platforms you plan on targeting. Java will have the most platforms with a VM. However, if you just want to use Windows and Linux, you can use C# (using mono on linux).
Based on your definition, no. Even wit the newest graphical libraries you can expect to do a bunch of testing on different platforms.
Flash would probably be the best. Wide spread and better at looking the same across different platforms.
Closed. This question needs to be more focused. It is not currently accepting answers.
Want to improve this question? Update the question so it focuses on one problem only by editing this post.
Closed 9 years ago.
Improve this question
I was reading item #6.10 on http://www.cafeaulait.org/javafaq.html and I began wondering how the big players go about creating their own implementation of a JVM. Would an experimental something or another be possible (and feasible) for one guy?
technically, all the information people need to create a new JVM is in the public specifications for the language and the targetted platform. A JVM would need to behave differently depending on whether it is meant to run on a desktop computer or a mobile phone, even if the bytecode interpretation would be largely identical.
A few places to start looking for information:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Java_virtual_machines
Reading The "Java Virtual Machine Specification" by Tim Lindholm
http://www.jcp.org/en/jsr/detail?id=30
From what I have seen of JVM implementations by Sun, IBM or smaller companies like Esmertec, writing a simple JVM is a several man-months project but adding JSR after JSR to support more functionality can take years afterwards.
Now, if all you need is a simple bytecode interpreter, it's not that bad, but it's still quite a bit of code to write.
A handmade JVM would be a great way to learn about virtual machines in general, the issues of program language design (through the JVM spec), and the nitty gritty of parsing and so forth.
If you choose to take it in that direction, you could also explore optimizations, which is where it can get interesting, and you can take research papers and implement their algorithms.
That being said, if you're less interested in the long and arduous task of creating a VM from scratch, you might want to modify an existing open source VM like Kaffe. It will show you what a virtual machine does, but not necessarily how Java code works in Sun's JVM:
Kaffe is a clean room implementation of the Java virtual machine, plus the associated class libraries needed to provide a Java runtime environment.
This way, you could study the details, but dive in to implementing more interesting features.
I understand that, currently, the big players license the Java library from Sun. They then add their own refinements. The main difference between implementations is the bytecode->machine code compiler.
For one thing, you may want to have a look at Apache Harmony They have come a long way, so their project history may actually give you a good idea on the effort required. I myself would not bet on it being feasible for one guy
Closed. This question is off-topic. It is not currently accepting answers.
Want to improve this question? Update the question so it's on-topic for Stack Overflow.
Closed 10 years ago.
Improve this question
I'm working on getting an Introduction to Groovy presentation ready for my local Java User's Group and I've pretty much got it together. What I'd like to see is what you all think I just have to cover.
Remember, this is an introductory presentation. Most of the people are experienced Java developers, but I'm pretty sure they have little to no Groovy knowledge. I won't poison the well by mentioning what I've already got down to cover as I want to see what the community has to offer.
What are the best things I can cover (in a 1 hour time frame) that will help me effectively communicate to these Java developers how useful Groovy could be to them?
p.s. I'll share my presentation here later for anyone interested.
as promised now that my presentation has been presented here it is
I don't know anything about groovy so in a sense I've qualified to answer this...
I would want you to:
Tell me why I would want to use Scripting (in general) as opposed to Java-- what does it let me do quicker (as in development time), what does it make more readable. Give tantalising examples of ways I can use chunks of scripting in my mostly Java app. You want to make this relevant to Java devs moreso than tech-junkies.
With that out of the way, why Groovy? Why not Ruby, Python or whatever (which are all runnable on the JVM).
Don't show me syntax that Java can already do (if statements, loops etc) or if you do make it quick. It's as boring as hell to watch someone walk through language syntax 101 for 20min.
For syntax that has a comparible feature in Java maybe show them side by side quickly.
For syntax that is not in Java (closures etc) you can talk to them in a bit more detail.
Remember those examples from the first point. Show me one, fully working (or at least looking like it is).
At the end have question time. That is crazy important, and with that comes a burden on you to be a psuedo-guru :P.
I'm not sure about how the Java6 scripting support works but I'm fairly sure it can be made secure. I remember something about defining the API the script can use before it's run.
If this is the case then an example you could show would be some thick-client application (e.g. a music player) where users can write their own scripts with an API you provide them in Groovy which allows them to script their app in interesting and secure ways (e.g. creating custom columns in the playlist)
I'd go for:
Closures
Duck typing
Builders (XML builder and slurper)
GStrings
Grails
I'd mention the following things in addition to what has already been stated:
GDK - extensions/additions to existing JDK classes
Interaction between Groovy and Java code (basically a non-issue)
Compiling Groovy code to Java .class files
XML parsing and mechanisms for accessing document content
One thing I like doing with Groovy is implementing an interface defined in Java as a map from method names to closures. It's a cool thing you can do with Groovy, but probably well beyond an introductory presentation though.
Include an example of how making Java code more groovy takes away soooo much code. Wait for them to pick their jaws up off of the floor before continuing. Scott Davis has a simple example at the beginning of Groovy Recipes that takes 35 lines of Java or 3 lines of Groovy.
You should definitely show them how to create a quick Grails application. Two domain classes that are related. Build a basic CRUD app. Explain that tables are being created behind the scenes using GORM(Hibernate). Then explain that you can create a war file and deploy it as you would any other Java war file. You can also add Grails/Groovy to an existing Java/JSP project so it doesn't require a huge commitment or paradigm change.
Groovy/Grails is simply Ruby/Rails for Java people. I'd cover the plugins for Netbeans/Eclipse too. Groovy/Grails are just now getting full support in the major IDE's.
Finally, if you can find a good diagram that shows how Grails is built on top of Spring, Hibernate, Quartz, Sitemesh and Groovy, I think people will understand that there is a treasure chest waiting to be unlocked.
Closed. This question is opinion-based. It is not currently accepting answers.
Want to improve this question? Update the question so it can be answered with facts and citations by editing this post.
Closed 2 years ago.
Improve this question
I just saw a comment of suggesting J#, and it made me wonder... is there a real, beneficial use of J# over Java? So, my feeling is that the only reason you would even consider using J# is that management has decreed that the company should jump on the Java bandwagon... and the .NET bandwagon. If you use J#, you are effectively losing the biggest benefit of picking Java... rich cross platform support. Sure there is Mono, but it's not as richly supported or as full featured right? I remember hearing Forms are not fully (perhaps at all) supported.
I'm not trying to bash .NET here, I'm just saying, if you are going to go the Microsoft route, why not just use C#? If you are going to go the Java route, why would J# enter the picture?
I'm hoping to find some real world cases here, so please especially respond if you've ACTUALLY used J# in a REAL project, and why.
J# is no longer included in VS2008. Unless you already have J# code, you should probably stay away.
From j# product page:
Since customers have told us that the
existing J# feature set largely meets
their needs and usage of J# is
declining, Microsoft is retiring the
Visual J# product and Java Language
Conversion Assistant tool to better
allocate resources for other customer
requirements. The J# language and JLCA
tool will not be available in future
versions of Visual Studio. To preserve
existing customer investments in J#,
Microsoft will continue to support the
J# and JLCA technology that shipped
with Visual Studio 2005 through to
2015 as per our product life-cycle
strategy. For more information, see
Expanded Microsoft Support Lifecycle
Policy for Business & Development
Products.
The whole purpose of J# is to ease the transition of Java developers to the .NET environment which didn't work so well (I guessing here) so Microsoft dropped J# from Visual Studio 2008.
For your question, "Is there a real benefit of using J#?"..
in a nutshell... No..
Instead of J#, I would rather prefer IKVM (http://www.ikvm.net/) to convert my JARs to .NET assemblies as well as access Java APIs in C#.
One of the killers I've found with J# in the past is that there is no built in support for referencing web services. That alone has been enough to deter me from it ever since.
C# syntax is so close to Java (and better in some ways) that you might as well learn C# instead of J#. And since C# is more widely used, you can easily find Java --> C# tutorials on google or check out http://www.asp.net/learn and watch some videos.
I don't think it's a matter of which language is better. In the .NET world there are some inconsistencies between the libraries different languages provide. There are certain functionality that is available in VB.NET that you might like to use from C# but can't. I remember I had to use J# to use some ZIP libraries that were not available in any other language in .NET.
I have used J# as an easy interim step to port a java library into C#. It made for a good way to port code I don't plan to maintain from Java to .Net. However, all new development is being done in C#.
Strongly agree that syntactically C# beats Java hands down, so there is really no reason to lament the demise of j#. Now trying to get c# compiling to Java bytecode might be an interesting move as Sun's hotspot jvm is great software.
Or, for a bit of fun with what might well become the next generation of Java, how about Scala on the CLR...