I am developing an client-server application where client gets updates every second (lets say 1000 fields) . I also need to draw waveforms from at client side.Server is already existing.
For this type of application which will be better ? GWT with intermediate server or Java Web Start which directly connects to existing server in terms of performance, difficulty to code ?
I don't see that much difference among them. I'd even say that they are separate things. Webstart is how your client will get the app: from some site.
Webstart is a bit easier to mantain, since your client will get it everytime it starts.
Deploying a stand-alone can be a bit harder, depending on your infrastructure.
Performance: just the "download" part of the webstart can be a bit heavier. I thinkg performance is almost the same, after ir began to execute.
Difficulty to code: it's just a matter of experience. Your code in both them will be almost the same, since they'll do the same things.
Mantain / upgrade : easier to mantain and upgrade the Webstart than installing a client on each machine.
Consider using a JFreeChart DynamicTimeSeriesCollection, seen here, distributed via java-web-start. A thousand fields in a scroll pane is possible, but JList or JTable would be considerably more efficient.
If the server already exists, the issue is more about the best way to connect it to the client, than whether or not to use GWT. For example, if you want server-push rather than client-pull for the updates, that changes things somewhat. However, assuming you need to do some vector graphics, and pull information from a server (I'll assume that you can use either JSON or XML to get server information), you could use several different JavaScript toolkits to do this directly, without Java or GWT needed at all.
For this type of application, Dojo would be one fair option. It has fairly good portable vector graphics, it's pure JavaScript and it is finally at a stage where documentation is OK. GWT would be a useful bet if the server didn't already exist, and where you wanted a decent set of controls usable on the client side. But for rich graphics, I'd look at JavaScript options like Dojo, Raphael, or even jQuery. Dojo does support line charts, and that might be a good basis for waveforms.
Some of this depends on the nature of the server. If it uses a different protocol from HTTP, or doesn't really provide easy JSON or XML access, you're probably better looking at a client-server package that does make the bridge between client and server simple.
GWT might be an option here, but it is designed more for robustness than for very fast development. And if you are fitting with an existing protocol, it could be a fair amount of work.
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I have a legacy web application sys-1 written in cgi that currently uses a TCP socket connection to communicated with another system sys-2. Sys-1 sends out the data in the form a unix string. Now sys-2 is upgrading to java web service which in turn requires us to upgrade. Is there any way to upgrade involving minimal changes to the existing legacy code. I am contemplating the creating of a code block which gets the output of Sys-1 and changes it into a format required by Sys-2 and vice versa.
While researching, I found two ways of doing this:
By using the "requests" library in python.
Go with the java webservices.
I am new to Java web services and have some knowledge in python. Can anyone advise if this method works and which is a better way to opt from a performance and maintenance point of view? Any new suggestions are also welcome!
Is there any way to upgrade involving minimal changes to the existing legacy code.
The solution mentioned, adding a conversion layer outside of the application, would have the least impact on the existing code base (in that it does not change the existing code base).
Can anyone advise if this method works
Would writing a Legacy-System-2 to Modern-System-2 converter work? Yes. You could write this in any language you feel comfortable in. Web Services are Web Services, it matters not what they are implemented in. Same with TCP sockets.
better way to opt from a performance
How important is performance? If this is used once in a blue moon then who cares. Adding a box between services will make the communication between services slower. If implemented well and running close to either System 1 or System 2 likely not much slower.
maintenance point of view?
Adding additional infrastructure adds complexity thus more problems with maintenance. It also adds a new chunk of code to maintain, and if System 1 needs to use System 2 in a new way you have two lots of code to maintain (Legacy System 1 and Legacy/Modern converter).
Any new suggestions are also welcome!
How bad is legacy? Could you rip the System-1-to-System-2 code out into some nice interfaces that you could update to use Modern System 2 without too much pain? Long term this would have a lower overall cost, but would have a (potentially significantly) larger upfront cost. So you have to make a decision on what, for your organisation, is more important. Time To Market or Long Term Maintenance. No one but your organisation can answer that.
Maybe you could add a man-in-the-middle. A socket server who gets the unix strings, parse them into a sys-2 type of message and send it to sys-2. That could be an option to not re-write all calls between the two systems.
I'm a pretty skilled java programmer that has dabbled in web development but I find that I'm much better at doing desktop based stuff than I am at anything related to web development. I've been trying to find an easy way of porting some of my desktop apps to run in browser but can't seem to find anything. I guess what I'm looking for is something similar to an applet but they a largely unsupported and get more buggy by the day. Is there anything similar that would allow me to keep my desktop style mindset and still run in browser or should I just break down and rewrite the whole thing in rails or another common web platform.
Java WebStart has been mentioned by others - It's a technology that aids redistribution of Java applications that then have the full rights of desktop applications, but they also have auto-update support built in. It's basically a launcher that fetches a JAR from the internet and runs it as a desktop application. These don't run within the browser.
Applets are an old technology that can be embedded directly into the web-page. They are not buggy, but they have several security restrictions. Also, the support is steadily declining because of the amount of critical bugs found in the technology. Desktop users that want applet support typically don't have trouble ensuring it, however. Currently, both the Chrome and the Java platform itself issue a warning before an applet is allowed to run - and that assumes the Java Runtime Environment is already installed.
Google Web Toolkit is a framework that allows creating single-page applications in Java, which are then compiled to Javascript. GWT handles multiple things behind the scenes, including server-client communication, localisation and internationalisation, and its own layout engine.
When translating an existing application to GWT, you need to:
separate the code into a part that runs on the client and a part that runs on the server. The server does not have direct access to the user, and the client does not have direct access to the database. If your application does not use centralised storage, it probably can run entirely within the web browser. Since client-server communication happens over the internet, you should reduce it to the minimum.
translate the front-end to GWT widgets. Forget Swing or AWT - they are impossible to compile efficiently to Javascript.
remove dependency on other Java classes that the GWT does not know how to translate into Javascript in the client part of the application. A large part of java.util. is supported but none of javax. (as of Jan 2014). The GWT site hosts the list of supported Java classes. Also, Javascript's regexes are less powerful than those of Java. Lookbehinds, in particular, are not supported. The server-side is a full-blown Java environment, but remember - you want to reduce the server-client communication to the minimum.
But, the most common strategy is to code the client side directly in Javascript.
Javascript is a language very similar in syntax to C/C++ and Java. It uses curly braces to denote blocks of code, and it uses semicolons to separate statements (though Javascript features automatic semicolon insertion, sometimes it understands two lines as a single statement if the first line is not terminated by a semicolon. Its data types include numbers (double-precision floating point), strings, booleans, two types of null, plain objects (which are basically hash-maps [string -> x]), arrays (untyped and dynamically extensible), regexes and functions (named or anonymous), all of which have their own literal syntax.
When coding in Javascript, your mindset should be:
Javascript is single-threaded and event-driven. You don't have to worry about concurrency issues, but you cannot say "now wait for x" either. Since Your Java code should be event-driven as well, this should not be an issue.
Lots of things in Javascript are asynchronous. Want to know something from the user? You should paint a dialog, and attach event handlers to its components. Want to get the user's GPS position? Ask for permission, passing it an event handler for when the user decides if the permission should be granted, from which you ask for the position, which also takes an event handler as an argument. Talking to the server? Asynchronous. Do you want to display something before doing a long calculation? You have to actually wait a little before you start computing. Ecmascript 6 improves the syntax a lot, but it's not yet supported in modern browsers.
Browsers only let you do so much. Disk access? Only to a file or folder the user explicitly points to. Clipboard access? The only reliable way is copy/paste into a textbox. Talking to a foreign webserver? Only if that webserver explicitly lets you (and lot of them don't even know how to). Of course, "foreign" includes a different sub-domain, different port number or a different protocol (http:// or https://). Desktop notifications? Geolocation? Ask for permissions first. Java applets have comparable security restrictions, and for the very same reason.
In Java, everything is a class. In Javascript, you can enjoy bare functions without any class. A typical event handler is just an anonymous function that you pass as an argument to a library function. Also, you can have anonymous objects using a very conscise syntax. This makes Javascript code much denser than that of Java and with very few classes, if any. Object Oriented Programming is still possible in Javascript, but much less pronounced.
When layouting your display, you need to think in terms of HTML and CSS. The best approach is to modify only the document structure (adding/removing elements or HTML classes) using the Document Object Model (DOM), and leave all CSS in an external file. In any case, you need to know CSS enough to be able to layout your page. Modern browsers support canvas, but it has no built-in layouting engine - its closest Java relative is JCanvas - just a blank area where you can draw graphics primitives - or a WebGL canvas - where you can place triangles in a 3D space.
When designing your own API, you need to know which operations might need to be asynchronous. If they are, either take a function as an argument (a callback), or return an object that does (a promise).
Except for the this variable, Javascript is function-scoped and lexically scoped and has closures. If a variable exists in a surrounding scope, it can be read from and written to - even from within a function that is only defined in that scope and called much later. In Java, you can't close over non-final function-local variables.
However, you need to be careful about timing - don't think you can just assign to a variable within a callback and use it outside. When you try to use it, it won't have been assigned to yet. Many have tried to cheat the time this way, and failed.
When the user leaves your page, it's a game over. If you want to remember anything past that point, you need to store it somewhere, be it cookies (very little space, outdated API), localStorage (decent amount of space, not supported by very old browsers) or the server (lots of space, but talking to the server when your page is being shut down is tricky).
the DOM API is often criticised, but there are several frameworks and libraries that ease the usage of it, of which the most popular is jQuery, which also handles browser inconsistencies, improves the AJAX API, event delegation (you can't attach an event handler to an element that doesn't yet exist) and includes an animation engine (though modern CSS is almost as powerful and often easier to use).
I think java web start could help you
http://www.java.com/it/download/faq/java_webstart.xml
I suggest you to take a look at Java Web Start. It offers you a possibility to start your application software for the Java Platform directly from the Internet using a web browser.
For more details see: Java Web Start
Nowadays Web Start is not a good option since, the user needs to have JVM installed and with all the vulnerabilities buzz around Java is more difficult to convince users to download it. The latest versions of JDK 1.8+ include scripts to pack your application along the jvm runtime in just one installer: https://docs.oracle.com/javase/8/docs/technotes/guides/deploy/
For using your application in a browser like an applet, you can use Bck2Brwsr or TeaVM both can run java applications in a browser without Java Plugin. Bck2Brwsr also uses Java Plug in if it is available.
You can also use GWT to compile your Java application to JavaScript. Note: Swing is not supported.
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One of the main strength of GWT is to code in java and everything gets compiled and is loaded by several browsers through gwt deferred binding??
Apart from this, i.e. working only on a single code base, do GWT has any other advantage compared to other existing framework??
Edit:
I'm trying to say why should we use gwt and not another framework?? What is there in GWT that makes it special for web application development?? What GWT makes for us and another framework or toolkit don't do??
As i said above GWT makes deferred binding which is a plus, so I wanted what other things it do that makes it special and unique??
My point of view :
Pure Java : In standard web application you write html, css, php, javascript, mysql and others and others. In gwt you write java and java and java. Pure Java knowledge is enough for everything.
gwt-rpc mechanism is very simple to communicate with server and uibinder or any other tools are enough for ui development. plus there are many widgets that facilitate front-end developing
Debug : Debugging Java code is very very easy than debugging Javascript code
MVP Development with Activities and Places
Compiler that you can do all the thing, that you can do in Javascript, in GWT. In addition, working with JSON and XML is very easy and History management is unbleviable
and at last I'm a big big fan of Google and they did it so they did the right thing
One of the other benefits of GWT is that you can share code between the client and server components of your app. For example, if you're doing a graphical app you can write computational geometry code and have the same code evaluate on both sides. Of course, you can also do the same thing by using server-side Javascript (for example, Node.js), but server-side Java has serious advantages for performance, ease of deployment, and interoperability with other things.
My favorite benefit is their RPC mechanisms. JSON gives you a huge reduction in payload size, but GWT's serialization policies allow the data to be sent over the wire without key labels for each value and reduces payload size by another 30% or so. On top of that, its easy to build those services using Spring and Hibernate.
Another benefit is the use of md5 hashes for the filenames of compiled JavaScript, allowing you to set never expires cache headers for all of your code.
Last but not least (actually, it is the least cool of the benefits), there are free tools now for GUI design so you don't have to build a GUI by writing XML and Java or HTML and CSS.
GWT follows a principle of no compromise high-performance Javascript.
They have already invested a lot of work into making your application highly performant. For instance, the "compiled" Javascript files it generates are actually .html files. This is due to an issue that some browsers do not correctly support compressed .js files. This sort of tweaking is beyond what most people would do manually.
There are easy to use tools to help you improve the performance of your own application. GWT.runAsync, for instance, allows you to define splitting points in your Javascript which will be used to automatically divide up monolithic Javascript files into bite sized chunks to load.
As has been said, the RPC mechanism performance and ease of design is amazing. MD5 hash based names for the compiled Javascript means for great caching.
My biggest plus for GWT still has to be the debugging capabilities. Javascript debugging has always been messy and frustrating. With GWT you can employ the full debugging facilities of Java when working on your client side code.
There are no simple answers to these questions:
I'm trying to say why should we use
gwt and not another framework?? What
is there in GWT that makes it special
for web application development?? What
GWT makes for us and another framework
or toolkit don't do??
There is no silver bullet. Everything depends on the project and requirements. GWT may be good in one project and other frameworks may be good in other projects. It also depends which other frameworks are taken into account.
In my opinion the most significant element which makes GWT different from almost all other Java web frameworks is that the client side is fully in JavaScript while most of other frameworks generate usually plain HTML code. The JavaScript approach to the client has its benefits, to name a few:
it is fully AJAX which creates great user experience,
views state is managed in the browser,
it communicates with the server asynchronously;
it communicates with the server only to get the datal
However, there are also some drawbacks:
browser history support - it isn't as good as in HTML based frameworks; proper use of history mechanism isn't easy and requires extra effort from developers;
applications aren't SEO friendly;
more complicated page layouts may kill web browsers - sometimes it takes a long time to generate a page, especially when using additional component libraries;
For developers it is very important that GWT hides JS from them. You write in Java and you get fully working AJAX based client application in JS usually without touching a single line of JS. This is great especially when you need a lot of AJAX in your application and you don't know JS. This is specific to GWT - using JS and AJAX in other frameworks isn't usually that easy (Vaadin may be an exception but it is GWT based).
It is worth mentioning that in many cases GWT can be combined with other web frameworks - this way you can have most of you application content created in HTML based frameworks and some more complicated AJAX parts in GWT.
If you want a recent comparison of Java Web Frameworks, here is an interesting presentation from Devoxx 2010 :
http://raibledesigns.com/rd/entry/my_comparing_jvm_web_frameworks
Suppose i have one website with simple pages in php like
page1.php
page2.php
Now there is one page where i want some detailed functioning and i want to use python for that and it will look like
page3.py
and in other page i want to use java like
page4.jsp
Provided i have installed python , java on webserver.
Is it possible?
Yes. It's possible. Where you will find yourself in trouble is when you want to share server-side information among them (I.E. sessions).
Other than that, you can use (but I would advise against it) all languages you want on a website.
Yes, it is possible, but you definitely should NOT do it.
Communication between pages running different technologies will not be elegant, if for no other reason than the fact that you won't get a shared session pool. Session bridges are possible, but they are a pain to do.
I would say you are making a mistake if you can't just pick a single language for your core web layer.
Yes it is very possible, as long as the server can serve the files you want to use. If it doesn't have python, you can't use python.
It depends on the web server. Apache can do it. Just make sure you have the appropriate handler modules for each file type, and use the AddHandler configuration directive to map each type to the appropriate handler.
Also, to be pedantic, you can not only use all three of those, but you can actually integrate them at the session level, since all of those languages are available on the JVM. So, in one container you can run all of the PHP, Python, and Java code. You can share session state, reuse connections to the database (via server wide connection pools), leverage Java libs in your PHP and/or Python code, etc.
I'm not saying this will be "drag and drop" easy, but it is possible, and even practical if you need that kind of close integration (vs integration via a database or filesystem). There will likely be nuances in ensuring that the Python and PHP code runs properly on the Java implementations as well.
Short answer: Yes, many web servers can handle generating pages from multiple languages.
People are talking about session...
Almost all server side technologies today support custom session providers, where you can hook up some code to share you session between different HTTP modules and binders.
If you are starting to write a web site from scratch, and you need to write all of your code for yourself, than probably you will choose to do it in one programming language (only for your comfort of coding).
But... where it's all starting to change? When you want to mash-up some open source and community source code to make a web site. Let's say a store & community with ASP.NET to mix up with CRM like Sugar CRM (which is in PHP).
In that case you don't need any session sharing, just users sync procedure in the DB.
Also, if you choose IIS 7 (Windows Server) or Apache (using Mono project you can run ASP.NET on LAMP), you could run them both on the same machine.
And remember, the most important thing is TIME TO MARKET! So saving code time can be crucial for you success.
ENJOY!
I work for a PHP development company and all the time these ASP.Net companies come to US for whatever reason I've never understood. We build them forms in PHP usually dynamically pulling in the layout - sometimes hosted on a subdomain, sometimes hosted directly in IIS with the PHP module. Its very messy and bad, it can be done but I'd say avoid it.
You can use Apache Reverse Proxy to do it and session must be readable between programming languages. I use Go, NodeJS and PHP in one website. Session is saved in Postgresql. The hardest part is all programming that is used in your website can read session with same format and saved in same place. I have used github.com/yvasiyarov/php_session_decoder to read and save session with Go and save it in Postgresql so PHP can process that session
I am implementing a website using PHP for the front end and a Java service as the back end. The two parts are as follows:
PHP front end listens to http requests and interacts with the database.
The Java back end run continuously and responds to calls from the front end.
More specifically, the back end is a daemon that connects and maintain the link to several IM services (AOL, MSN, Yahoo, Jabber...).
Both of the layers will be deployed on the same system (a CentOS box, I suppose) and introducing a middle layer (for instance: using XML-RPC) will reduce the performance (the resource is also rather limited).
Question: Is there a way to link the two layers directly? (no more web services in between)
Since this is communication between two separate running processes, a "direct" call (as in JNI) is not possible. The easiest ways to do such interprocess communcation are probably named pipes and network sockets. In both cases, you'll have to define a communication protocol and implement it on both sides. Using a standard protocol such as XML-RPC makes this easier, but is not strictly necessary.
There are generally four patterns for application integration:
via Filesystem, ie. one producers writes data to a directory monitored by the consumer
via Database, ie. two applications share a schema or table and use it to swap data
via RMI/RPC/web service/any blocking, sync call from one app to another. For PHP to Java you can pick from the various integration libraries listed above, or use some web services standards like SOAP.
via messaging/any non-blocking, async operation where one app sends a message to another app.
Each of these patterns has pros and cons, but a good rule of thumb is to pick the one with the loosest coupling that you can get away with. For example, if you selected #4 your Java app could crash without also taking down your PHP app.
I'd suggest before looking at specific libraries or technologies listed in the answers here that you pick the right pattern for you, then investigate your specific options.
I have tried PHP-Java bridge(php-java-bridge.sourceforge.net/pjb/) and it works quite well. Basically, we need to run a jar file (JavaBridge.jar) which listens on port(there are several options available like Local socket, 8080 port and so on). Your java class files must be availabe to the JavaBridge in the classpath. You need to include a file Java.inc in your php and you can access the Java classes.
Sure, there are lots of ways, but you said about the limited resource...
IMHO define your own lightweight RPC-like protocol and use sockets on TCP/IP to communicate. Actually in this case there's no need to use full advantages of RPC etc... You need only to define API for this particular case and implement it on both sides. In this case you can serialize your packets to quite small. You can even assign a kind of GUIDs to your remote methods and use them to save the traffic and speed-up your intercommunication.
The advantage of sockets usage is that your solution will be pretty scalable.
You could try the PHP/Java integration.
Also, if the communication is one-way (something like "sendmail for IM"), you could write out the PHP requests to a file and monitor that in your Java app.
I was also faced with this problem recently. The Resin solution above is actually a complete re-write of PHP in Java along the lines of JRuby, Jython and Rhino. It is called Quercus. But I'm guessing for you as it was for me, tossing out your Apache/PHP setup isn't really an option.
And there are more problems with Quercus besides: the free version is GPL, which is tricky if you're developing commercial software (though not as tricky as Resin would like you to believe (but IANAL)) and on top of that the free version doesn't support compiling to byte code, so its basically an interpreter written in Java.
What I decided on in the end was to just exchange simple messages over HTTP. I used PHP's json_encode()/json_decode() and Java's json-lib to encode the messages in JSON (simple, text-based, good match for data model).
Another interesting and light-weight option would be to have Java generate PHP code and then use PHP include() directive to fetch that over HTTP and execute it. I haven't tried this though.
If its the actual HTTP calls you're concerned about (for performance), neither of these solutions will help there. All I can say is that I haven't had problems with the PHP and Java on the same LAN. My feeling is that it won't be a problem for the vast majority of applications as long as you keep your RPC calls fairly course-grained (which you really should do anyway).
Sorry, this is a bit of a quick answer but: i heard the Resin app server has support for integrating java and PHP.
They claim they can smash php and java together: http://www.caucho.com/resin-3.0/quercus/
I've used resin for serving J2ee applications, but not for its PHP support.
I'd be interested to hear of such adventures.
Why not use web service?
Make a Java layer and put a ws access(Axis, SpringWS, etc...) and the Php access the Java layer using one ws client.
I think it's simple and useful.
I've come across this page which introduces a means to link the two layers. However, it still requires a middle layer (TCP/IP). Moreover, other services may exploit the Java service as well because it accepts all incoming connections.
http://www.devx.com/Java/Article/20509
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