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I want to develop a navigation app like "Find my Car" or something. For the navigation and the map i want to use the google maps api.
Now i must decide, which language i want to use. Java vs. HTML5.
I'm more familiar with Java, but in the Google Maps API documentation, it would be easier to develop with HTML5, is it?
The application must run on a android phone. So what is better to use: Java, which i'm more familiar, or with HTML5, which (i think) is easier to use in combination with Google Maps.
Hope you can help me, i must decide me in approximately one hour.
Generally, I would not say that the answer is always Java. It actually depends on your needs, like always.
The great thing when you use HTML5 (you could try PhoneGap: http://phonegap.com/) is that it will work on multiple different systems, whereas a native Android app won't.
On the other hand, in a native App, you will be able to access to the whole Android API, and it will be more powerful as well.
As a conclusion, if you need a powerful app processing images in real time, you want a native application. But if you want something simple that could easily be rendered in HTML5 and you potentially will create the same application on a different system (say, IOS), then HTML5 will make you earn precious time.
And in the case where there is not a clear "good" way to follow, simply choose the one in which you are more comfortable: as long as you can create an application that answer your needs, it will be the most productive way.
And always keep in mind that it is possible to include a "WebView" in an Android native app, which means that you can have best of both worlds.
In your very situation, it seems that Android already has some nice features for using Maps (most probably better than the HTML5 version). That might help your decision.
if you're developing an app (not game) in Android the answer is always Java! Always!
and implementing maps in Android in its native Java is as simple as 1.2.3 https://developers.google.com/maps/documentation/android/
Language, IDE, platform ... everything is tool. What will you use depend on the needs of your application. I work with both techniques. When you'll develop an application that uses many resources linked to hardware (eg accelerometer, gps...), it is advisable that you use a native language, it saves battery and you has the maximum advantage of the device, gaining in performance.
Now if you'll develop an application that uses few hardware resources, the most interesting solution is HTML5 (example: PhoneGap, SenchaTouch, Titanium, etc..).
In my years of experience, before deciding how to develop I wonder what I will develop, so as to see which one best meets my need!
Hai friends,
I have a doubt now,
Has Android really replaced J2ME and
WML?
If Android has replaced these, then
please tell me, what is the reason for
that?
How Android has replaced the other two
mentioned above and
what is the
reason that J2ME and WML cannot
withstand against Android in market?
J2ME is a java platform for embedded devices. Android is a mobile operating system. So you can't make a direct comparison.
However, if you look at the Java based Android SDK vs J2ME: The share the same basis with the core Java libraries. They provide different UI layers and application paradigms.
Android is more powerful, and thus used in higher end phones. However J2ME is still used in a lot of older/less powerful devices. The Androd SDK provides a lot of things that are not part of J2ME. You might want to read through the dev guide to get an idea of what Android is capable of.
Android phones are getting cheaper, soon you could get an android phone for almost the price of the mid-range J2ME handsets
Android SDK doesnt face the issue of the first mover that J2ME had, so the SDK is quite powerful and in tune with the times, where as J2ME wasn't updated for years
Android, though fragmented in terms of versions, doesnt have the JSR nightmares that J2ME has (Vendors not implementing the JSR completely or in a different fashion)
However, things could really be great for J2ME, if Oracle succeeds in making the J2ME.next, We could really get an almost write once run anywhere, if they can somehow also allow installable VM's like standard J2SE VM
I would argue that Android hasn't completely replaced the two others, they obviously still exist and there are other platforms that still use J2ME. But, even so, I think it has practically replaced the other two just by virtue of its popularity.
The market share for so-called smart phones is growing rapidly, the market share for Android phones is growing rapidly. I don't see the market share of any devices based on J2ME growing rapidly. As for WML, I don't see it growing either because most smart phones now feature a browser that is far more capable than mobile browsers of the past. The one I have in my iPod Touch is very good, the one on my Android phone is adequate for most sites. I don't have to have special sites built just for my phone any more. It's nice if they are there, but they definitely don't need to be constructed using a different markup language, a simple alternate CSS style sheet would probably do just as good a job.
There are some considerations that are helpful that sites can take into account with regard to width and use of Flash, etc. but I would argue that the need for WML has gone away for the most part before it ever became really popular.
Edit: My bad, I meant objective-c, not c#. Some reason I got it into my head it was c# the iphone used. So the answers for c# were great, thanks, but theyre a bit irrelevant, sorry about that.
I've had a look but can't find anything that answers this, though a few have shortened the question by answering parts of it. Between a small group, we were planning on doing some work on iPhone and Android, the 2 seperate for the most part but helping each other out, and with some guys doing graphics work split between them.
But we were thinking about the possibilities of moving things between the two, not necessarily apps, maybe just useful classes or something. Looking at objective-c and Java, they seem to have about the same features that the biggest obstacle would be system interface stuff, so we were wondering whether, if we created an abstraction over these on each system so they could be given the same input (which unless I'm wrong wouldn't put too much strain on the system?), would there be any problems in writing something to convert between objective-c and Java, worse than the locations of methods in the sdks? Or are there key features or something in one language that the other doesn't have which we've missed that would mean the only way to do it would be rewriting from scratch.
I wouldn't waste time trying to find commonality between iOS and Android.
Cross-platform is almost always a waste of time and resources unless the cross-platform capability is central to the apps functioning. That is especially true for platforms such as iPhone and Android which have custom OS and work very tightly with the hardware.
Cross-platform development environments add rather than reduce complexity long term. Yeah, it sounds neat but usually you get 90% what you want easily and then you hit a roadblock that destroys all the savings you made and then starts putting you in the hole. There are simply to many compromises and square pegs jammed into round holes.
Unless your app could in theory work from a generic web page, cross-platform is not for you.
In the specific case of Objective-C and Java, although Java is descended from Objective-C they have no modern interoperability. You can't use code from one on the other.
You should spend the time to learn each platform's specific API. There are no shortcuts.
Tools like XMLVM, Codename One and iSpectrum tell us that you can actually cross-compile Java code (from an Android app or creating one from scratch) to Objective-C code that is running on an iPhone without having to install any virtual machine on the Apple side of things.
I suggest watching Developing iPhone Applications using Java
Unfortunately Apple's license
agreement for the iPhone SDK prohibits
the porting of the Java virtual
machine to the iPhone. In this
presentation we introduce an Open
Source Java-to-Objective-C
cross-compiler as well as a Java-based
implementation of the Cocoa library.
With the help of these tools, iPhone
applications can be written in pure
Java. Using the Java version of Cocoa,
it is possible to run a Java-based
iPhone application as a Java
desktop/applet application that can be
cross-compiled to run natively on the
iPhone. The talk will discuss the
challenges of the Java-to-Objective-C
cross-compiler as well as the
Java-based version of Cocoa. Details
are available at http://www.xmlvm.org/
and for more insight a more recent talk about Cross-Compiling Android applications to the iPhone from Frebruary 2010 is available here, which is documented at http://www.xmlvm.org/android/ :
Android is an Open Source platform for mobile devices. Initiated by Google, Android has received much attention. Android applications are developed using Java, although a special compiler converts class files to a proprietary, register-based virtual machine that is used on Android devices to execute applications. Android defines its own API for writing mobile applications. With the help of XMLVM it is possible to cross-compile Java-based Android applications to native iPhone applications.
The Android application is written in
Java and makes use of an Android
specific API. XMLVM offers a
compatibility library, written in
Java, that offers the same API as
Android, but only makes use of the
Java-based API for Cocoa Touch. During
the cross-compilation process, both
the application and the Android
compatibility library are
cross-compiled from Java to
Objective-C and linked with the Cocoa
Touch compatibility library to yield a
native iPhone application.
From the 2008 talk about building Java applications for the iPhone http://www.xmlvm.org/iphone/ :
Apple's iPhone has generated huge
interest amongst users and developers
alike. Like MacOS X, the iPhone
development environment is based on
Objective-C as the development
language and Cocoa for the GUI
library. The iPhone SDK license
agreement does not permit the
development of a virtual machine.
Using XMLVM, we circumvent this
problem by cross-compiling Java to the
iPhone. Just like a Java application
can be cross-compiled to AJAX, XMLVM
can be used to cross-compile a Java
application to Objective-C. The
cross-compilation is also accomplished
by mimicking a stack-based machine in
Objective-C.
If you focus on abstracting away things like system interactions, and stick to the common subset of the languages, you can probably build classes that would require little or no modification to move from one language to the other.
C# does have a better implementation of generics than Java, in that C#'s generics retain strong typing at run-time.
C# also has LINQ, which as far as I know has no equivalent (yet) in Java. LINQ provides a SQL-like query capability, built into the language and fully supported by the .NET frameowrk, that lets you query object collections, and does so in a very functional-language style. LINQ can be extended by query providers to work with other data formats, such as XML and SQL, once the query provider provides an object model that translates to the other format. LINQ also makes parallelization very easy for multi-core work. It's a huge extension to language capability.
This topic is often filled with the dogma of technology jihadis, so I shall try and steer clear of that in my answer.
In my experience, I would largely agree with people saying that trying to share code between the two platforms would be difficult. However, there are some important exceptions:
I would consider cross-platform development where your business logic:
is non-trivial;
should be standardized across platforms; and
has well defined interactions with the outside world (e.g. network stack or UI).
(bonus) is written already.
Apple is the rate determining step here, given the now infamous 3.3.1 restrictions on source code languages. You can write code in Javascript according to the bundled Webkit, C, C++ and Objective C.
If you don't want to install extra languages on a 'droid, you can use the Java that compiles down to dalvik code, the Javascript as per the slightly different build of webkit or something from the NDK. Then you'll be looking at C/C++. You could cross-compile Objective-C, but I haven't had any experience of that.
The clean separation of business logic from UI and networking is important, as you'll be looking to write adapters for the networking layer, something else for the UI.
I would not attempt to write cross platform UI code in C/C++, and would either write something that used HTML/CSS/JS, or more likely write something completely custom to take advantage of the different UI metaphors on each platforms - e.g. there is no analogue to the notification bar on the iPhone. Animation on the iPhone is orders of magnitude simpler to implement than on Android.
If you don't need the UI to be massively integrated with the OS, then a webview and some HTML5 may be sufficient. Titanium is a good option here, and my colleagues in the know tell me it is better (i.e. compiles, not interpreted) than PhoneGap. Again I don't know.
Going the other way in complexity, Open GLES is available on both platforms.
It should also be noted that SVG is not available on the current crop of Android OSes.
If you actually want to do cross phone development, as long as it is not something really computationally expensive, I would probably go with PhoneGap.
PhoneGap is an open source development framework for building cross-platform mobile apps. Build apps in HTML and JavaScript and still take advantage of core features in iPhone/iTouch, iPad, Google Android, Palm, Symbian and Blackberry SDKs.
As far as I can tell, it's pretty much the only cross platform toolkit that is allowed in the iPhone app store.
If you're dead set on native development, I think you'll find that unless you're making a game and targeting c, it will be a lot of work to port. The frameworks are very different and the way of building UI is very different. That said, to answer you're direct question of objective-c vs. java, it's not that bad. It is different enough, though, that an abstraction tool would not be that easy - not like Java vs C#. Objective-c does not have garbage collection (on the iPhone anyway), for example, and the syntax is very different. Objective-c is more loosely typed in the way that it does method calls (messages in objective-c). That said, they aren't wildly different in terms of programming paradigms. They are both object oriented imperative languages. They both have classes and methods, public and private. If you wanted to port the code by hand, it wouldn't be the end of the world, I just think you might wind up spending a lot more time trying to build an abstraction layer.
If you're thinking about doing Android development my best advice is to go for java. There is no benefit at all of writing a complete abstraction (assuming you can) layer to convert from C# to Java. As for the IPhone development dont doubt about using Objective-C for the same purpose.
You can't develop for the iPhone in the same language as for Android. For the iPhone, you can only program in Objective C, it's developed by Apple. You can't use it for android, and the only way to do iPhone development is with that language (it's in the user agreement).
As for C# vs. Java, the whole principle is different. Java is one language for every platform, .Net is one platform for every language. They are not compatible. You can use Java on Android, but I'm not sure if you can use C# (.Net) as well.
Anyway, you'll have to build two different apps for these two mobile operating systems.
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What's your opinion on whether one should write an application for a specific platform or use a cross platform approach and reach more potential clients?
It would be a GUI based application and I'm thinking of using Java.
Most of the applications that I've used built on Java don't run as smooth as the native applications on the respective platforms.
The two platforms I'm thinking of are windows and macs.
If I was creating the app just for my own use, and I had to choose one system, I would choose to focus on the mac.
I would like to hear your thoughts.
I would use Qt and yes, definitely target Cross Platform...
The major reason isn't in fact what you think it is (being cross platform by itself) but actually that by targeting multiple platforms your code by some freaking weird magical reasons tends to end up with far better code quality. I've seen this happen countless times in my own projects. Every time I add a new platform the quality of the code increases and the code becomes more clean...
Also every serious app should have as few "dependencies" as possible, being cross platform means you have less dependencies... ;)
Then as a "bonus" you get to your app to run on multiple platforms...
Requirements, requirements, requirements.
In all seriousness, "it depends" is the right answer.
Truly cross platform is hard work; Working where you/your users are familiar is worth something. Solving the problem in an effective manner is really the highest priority.
Cross platform development, in general, is a bit overrated as an artform. Java is the leading technology here, but even in this case, most Java programmers don't really go cross platform. There are a few spectacular examples of tools like Vuze and LimeWire and JRipper which work pretty well just about anywhere, but these are exceptions, statistically speaking. Most Java apps, especially of the corporate variety, are coded with one platform in mind, and they never really move around.
If you want to go Mac and Windows, consider spending time in the Limewire and Vuze codebase. Both of these apps work extremely well on both platforms.
You will definetly need two builds. One build probably won't do.
I suggest to develop it first for the platform you feel comfortable with, and where you can make use of all platform gimmicks; in this case, this would be OS X.
Later, if your app is successful for the Mac, look at porting options. It's IMO not worth to put effort into porting until it is certain that there would be significant interest in the app in the first place.
In this day and age, is there really a good reason to write native code?
Yes. The languages and libraries available do not allow excellent programming to be done well. At best they allow one to write code that works ok across platforms, but never excel.
Pick one and focus on it. Focus on that audience (you'll find the audiences are different in their tastes and desires anyway).
Once you've got an app people are clamoring for on the other side, and just before someone makes a competitor, evaluate the cost/benefit to porting your finely tuned and well designed product over.
If you try to 'serve two masters' you'll make design decisions based on what's easiest for both platforms, and that's not a good design process.
-Adam
If your app uses an MVC design, you can write portable model classes using C++, and native controller and view classes for each platform you want to support. That gives you the best of both worlds - portability where that's practical, and a native interface for which your users will thank you.
I agree with your observation about Java applications versus native applications, although I'm sure that an experienced Java programmer could probably make it work.
The bottom line is that the programming APIs for both Mac and Windows are the best tools to use for building interfaces on their respective systems. If you want your app to run smoothly on a particular system, you should use that system's API.
If it is absolutely essential to have a cross-platform implementation, consider writing all of the core functionality (non user-interface portion) for your program in a library that can be compiled for both systems (c++ is an obvious choice), and then build a nice user interface for each target system that can makes calls to the common library.
IMHO, this discussion should be answer by the customer needs.
Most of the time IT provide solution, the way the solution is build is only a detail for the customer.
However making the code reusable could be useful in case your first choice of development environment was wrong.
many other criteria may come into the thinking.
for instance if your software is for health care you may want to support for 10 years, then you have to select an OS supported for more than 10 years (forget windows and mac). etc.
Depends on how much time you wish to spend on the application. Fastest way is Java, otherwise you can build your model with C++ and do separate GUI code using MFC and Cocoa.
Why don't you consider Web Application.
You can build rich UI Web site running in browser which runs everywhere and all platforms,
If you are familiar with Java, you can try GWT for the 'Weblication'
Check out the demo page of GWT
Make it a web app ?
Otherwise Java i guess. It depends of many things, type of your app, target etc.
I have had good luck with cross platform Java using SWT. This will give you a nice native-look on any OS, and there aren't a whole lot of problems out there that require any JNI code. With any luck, you should be able to distribute the exact same codebase to both targets, and it should just work.
Having said that, you should evaluate whether or not you really need the cross platform functionality. At the very least, it will require you to test the GUI layer of your app on each OS (testing layouts, presentation, etc). With a large app, this becomes cumbersome very quickly.
In either case, choosing a cross-platform language from the start will give you flexibility in the future. If you were to write native code from the start, it would be non-trivial to port the code to another platform. It would likely be accompanied by several bugs, and would also require a port of all the test code to the new platform. You would run into synchronization issues with any new features, bug fixes, etc. With Java, you can write JUnit tests which will run in both OS's, and any bugs or new features will be propogated to both versions automatically.
It really does depend on your specific application. If you are anticipating a user base on both OS's, then that should dictate your language choice.
It is possible to get a nice looking Java app to run on Windows, Linux and Java - look at SBCommander for example - and note that you can run it and look at the UI even if you don't have the hardware that it's supposed to control.
On the other hand, one thing I've found very hard to do is to write a cross-platform app that looks and behaves like a native app on each platform; there are just too many different assumptions about how an application should behave.
It really depends on who your users will be. Don't go cross-platform just because you can. There needs to be a real need regardless of the tool. And testing is going to eat up quite a bit of time. You'll still need to thoroughly test on both platforms.
I use REALbasic to create a wide variety of cross-platform desktop applications from a single code base and it has worked well for me and my clients.
Quite often I find PC developers attempt to capitalize on the Mac market (some do successfully). In turn, they development the application in the described above "cross-platform" architecture (Java, or some Qt framework, etc...) The result is usually, a hideous looking application with poor OS integration support and the community backlash commences in the reviews.
My advice, port it. Do a good job, understand your market before dumping your cross-platform product in your carpet bomb marketing approach.
I'm making my first foray into the J2ME world. I'd prefer to use a functional language to do the development.
Scala used to have CLDC support, but it's no longer maintained. Bigloo seems to have disappeared.
Interpreters (such as Jython) are a no-go, since J2ME apps have to be small (at least, mine has to be).
I would like to know of anyone who has been able to use another JVM language to build J2ME apps.
Running a different language on top of CLDC might be cool but the devices are usually very constrained in memory and CPU that this is merely impossible.
Look forward to JavaFX which will bring new wind to mobile marketplace. For existing handsets you have to use Java ME.
If you're on Symbian, you can try Python for S60
Java is one of the most widely available runtimes. So if your app is aimed at a wide range of Handsets you should indeed choose Java ME. If you are targeting a particular make/model you could have other choices.
For example, The Symbian OS, can take a number of runtimes and you could develop using open C/C++ amongst others. Check the link.
Probably I am late in answering this one and your project is already under way.