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I programm some calculator in Java. I use double type. Double has 15 digits after the decimal point. I have problem with the following:
1/3 * 3 = 0.9999999999999999
I need 1/3 * 3 = 1
How can I solve this problem?
I keep result in Double. The same problem I have with other mathematical operations, for example
sqrt(6) = 2.449489742783, and next I square the result and I get: 5.999999999999999
You're dealing with inherent limitations of floating-point arithmetic.
Read the paper What Every Computer Scientist Should Know About Floating-Point Arithmetic.
For equality-checking, you should be using something like abs(x-y) < epsilon rather than x == y
For display purposes, you should round to the nearest decimal place that you actually care about.
Certain numbers cannot be represented exactly in binary floating point. 1/3 is one of them. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floating_point For that matter, 1/3 cannot be represented exactly in decimal either.
Your calculator should use a java.text.NumberFormat to present the numbers.
The reason why you are seeing this is due to the computers inability to understand infinity.
A computer has limitations, so it does not understand the fact that 1/3 is never-ending. This causes it to round. This can be solved as Jason S posted above. Using these special class, people have started to program ways to computer whether or not something goes to infinity, then attempt to deal with it.
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I have 2 numbers stored as Double, 1.4300 and 1.4350. When I subtract 1.4350 - 1.4300, it gives me the result: 0.0050000000000001155. Why does it add 1155 to the end and how can I solve this so that it returns 0.005 or 0.0050? I'm not sure rounding will work as I'm working with 2 and 4 decimal numbers.
Oh, I love these... these are caused by inaccuracy in the double representation and floating-point arithmetic is full of these. It is often caused by recurring numbers in binary (i.e. base-2 floating-point representation). For example, in decimal 1/3 = 0.3333' In binary 1/10 is a recurring number, which means it cannot be perfectly represented. Try this: 1 - 0.1 - 0.1 - 0.1 - 0.1. You wont get 0.6 :-)
To solve this, use BigDecimal (preferred) or manipulating the double by first multiplying it something like 10000, then rounding it and then dividing it again (less clean).
Good question... it has caused huge problems in the past. Missiles overshooting targets, satellites crashing after launch, etc. Search the web for some, you'll be amazed!
This is a common pitfall with some computer representations of fractional numbers, see this question or google for floating point precision.
Double is not the right type for very precision floating point calculations, if you want exact results you have to use BigDecimal.
I'm looking through old exam questions (currently first year of uni.) and I'm wondering if someone could explain a bit more thoroughly why the following for loop does not end when it is supposed to. Why does this happen? I understand that it skips 100.0 because of a rounding-error or something, but why?
for(double i = 0.0; i != 100; i = i +0.1){
System.out.println(i);
}
The number 0.1 cannot be exactly represented in binary, much like 1/3 cannot be exactly represented in decimal, as such you cannot guarantee that:
0.1+0.1+0.1+0.1+0.1+0.1+0.1+0.1+0.1+0.1==1
This is because in binary:
0.1=(binary)0.00011001100110011001100110011001....... forever
However a double cannot contain an infinite precision and so, just as we approximate 1/3 to 0.3333333 so must the binary representation approximate 0.1.
Expanded decimal analogy
In decimal you may find that
1/3+1/3+1/3
=0.333+0.333+0.333
=0.999
This is exactly the same problem. It should not be seen as a weakness of floating point numbers as our own decimal system has the same difficulties (but for different numbers, someone with a base-3 system would find it strange that we struggled to represent 1/3). It is however an issue to be aware of.
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A live demo provided by Andrea Ligios shows these errors building up.
Computers (at least current ones) works with binary data. Moreover, there is a length limitation for computers to process in their arithmetic logic units (i.e. 32bits, 64bits etc).
Representing integers in binary form is simple on the contrary we cant say the same thing for floating points.
As shown above there is a special way of representing floating points according to IEEE-754 which is also accepted as defacto by processor producers and software guys that's why it is important for everyone to know about it.
If we look at the maximum value of a double in java (Double.MAX_VALUE) is 1.7976931348623157E308 (>10^307). only with 64 bits, huge numbers could be represented however problem is the precision.
As '==' and '!=' operators compare numbers bitwise, in your case 0.1+0.1+0.1 is not equal to 0.3 in terms of bits they are represented.
As a conclusion, to fit huge floating point numbers in a few bits clever engineers decided to sacrifice precision. If you are working on floating points you shouldn't use '==' or '!=' unless you are sure what you are doing.
As a general rule, never use double to iterate with due to rounding errors (0.1 may look nice when written in base 10, but try writing it in base 2—which is what double uses). What you should do is use a plain int variable to iterate and calculate the double from it.
for (int i = 0; i < 1000; i++)
System.out.println(i/10.0);
First of all, I'm going to explain some things about doubles. This will actually take place in base ten for ease of understanding.
Take the value one-third and try to express it in base ten. You get 0.3333333333333.... Let's say we need to round it to 4 places. We get 0.3333. Now, let's add another 1/3. We get 0.6666333333333.... which rounds to 0.6666. Let's add another 1/3. We get 0.9999, not 1.
The same thing happens with base two and one-tenth. Since you're going by 0.110 and 0.110 is a repeating binary value(like 0.1666666... in base ten), you'll have just enough error to miss one hundred when you do get there.
1/2 can be represented in base ten just fine, and 1/5 can as well. This is because the prime factors of the denominator are a subset of the factors of the base. This is not the case for one third in base ten or one tenth in base two.
It should be for(double a = 0.0; a < 100.0; a = a + 0.01)
Try and see if this works instead
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I have the current code
for(double j = .01; j <= .17; j+=.01){
System.out.println(j);
}
the output is:
0.01
0.02
0.03
0.04
0.05
0.060000000000000005
0.07
0.08
0.09
0.09999999999999999
0.10999999999999999
0.11999999999999998
0.12999999999999998
0.13999999999999999
0.15
0.16
0.17
Can someone explain why this is happening? How do you fix this? Besides writing a rounding function?
Floats are an approximation of the actual number in Java, due to the way they're stored. If you need exact values, use a BigDecimal instead.
They are working correctly. Some decimal values are not representable exactly in binary floating point and get rounded to the closest value. See my answer to this question for more detail. The question was asked about Perl, but the answer applies equally to Java since it's a limitation of ALL floating point representations that do not have infinite precision (i.e. all of them).
As suggested by #Kaleb Brasee go and use BigDecimal's when accuracy is a must. Here is a link to a nice explanation of tiny details related to using floating point operations in Java http://firstclassthoughts.co.uk/java/traps/java_double_traps.html
There is also a link to issues involved with using BigDecimal's. Highly recommended to read them both. It really helped me.
Enjoy, Boro.
We humans are used to think in 'base 10' when we deal with floating point numbers 'by hand' (that is, literally when writing them on paper or when entering them into a computer). Because of this, it is possible for us to write down an exact representation of, say, 17%. We just write 0.17 (or 1.7E-1 etc). Trying to represent such a trivial thing as a third can not be done exactly with that system, because we have to write 0.3333333... with an infinite number of 3s, which is impossible.
Computers dealing with floating point not only have a limited number of bits to represent the mantissa (or significand) of the number, they are also restricted to express the mantissa in the base of two. That means that most percentages (which we humans with our base 10 floating point convention always can write exactly, like for example '0.17') are impossible for the computer to store exactly. Fractions like 0%, 25%, 50%, 75% and 100% can be expressed exactly as a floating point number in a computer, because it consists of either halves (2E-1) or quarters (2E-4) which fits nicely with a digital representation of a number. Percentage values like 17% or even trivial ones (for us humans!!) like 10% or 1% are as impossible for computers to store exactly simply because those numbers are, for the binary floating point system what the 'one third' is for the human (base 10) floating point system.
But if you carefully pick your floating point values, so they always are made of a whole number of 1/2^n where n might be 10 (meaning an integer number of 1/1024), then they can always be stored exactly without errors as a floating point number. So if you try to store 17/1024 in a computer, it will go smoothly. You can actually store it without error even using the 'human base 10' decimal system (but you would go nuts by the number of actual digits you have to deal with).
This is some reason I believe why some games express angles in a unit where a whole 360 degree turn is 256 angle units. Can be expressed without loss as a floating point number between 0 and 1 (where 1 means you go a full revolution).
It's normal in double representation on the computer. You lose some bits then you will have such results. Better solution is to do this:
for(int j = 1; j <= 17; j++){
System.out.println(j/100.0);
}
This is because floating point values are inherently not the same as reals in the mathematical sense.
In a computer, there is only a fixed number of bits that can be used to represent value. This means there are a finite number of values that it can hold. But there are an infinite amount of real numbers, thus not all of them can be represented exactly. But usually the value is something close. You can find a more detailed explanation here.
That is because of the limitations of IEEE754 the binary format to get the most out of 32 bit.
As others have pointed out, only numbers that are combinations of powers of two are exactly representable in (bianary) floating point format
If you need to store arbitrary numbers with arbitrary precision, then use BigDecimal.
If the problem is just a display issue, then you can get round this in how you display the number. For example:
String.format("%.2f", n)
will format the number to 2 decimal places.
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I came across this weird phenomenon in Java. Try this statement in a Java program:
System.out.print(4.0-3.1);
The output will be 0.8999999
Why does this happen? And how can it be changed?
I recommend reading What Every Scientist Should Know About Floating-Point Arithmetic. This is standard behavior for floating point math. Most systems (including Java) use IEEE 754 as the standard representation for floating point numbers. Exact, numerical values are not always perfectly represented by this standard, so you often see slight numerical inconsistencies when printing, as you found here.
This is a typical floating point result runded.
You get different results from Float and Double :
System.out.println(4.0f-3.1f);
System.out.println(4.0d-3.1d);
Output:
0.9000001
0.8999999999999999
This is because 0.1 cannot be represented evenly in base 2, and cause a loss of precision. For example :
System.out.println(2.0f-1.9f);
System.out.println(2.0d-1.9d);
Should both return 0.1 but in fact will output :
0.100000024
0.10000000000000009
You will find your answer behind this link.
TL;DR summary: you will have to learn how floating point is represented in computing so you know why these things happen. This is an artifact of floating point representation and you alter it by not using float types if this kind of result is unacceptable to you.
floating point can't represent the value 0.1 or any multiple of 0.1 exactly. It is base 2 where the number system it is displayed in is base 10. There is some data lost when storing base 10 data in base 2 format.
You are having fun with float types. But in binary. In the decimal system there are periodic numbers. Like 1/3 which is 1.33333 and so on. Some numbers in the decimal system are not periodic, but are periodic in the binary system.
Thus calculation is always inaccurate when there is the possibility of periodic numbers.
In my course, I am told:
Continuous values are represented approximately in memory, and therefore computing with floats involves rounding errors. These are tiny discrepancies in bit patterns; thus the test e==f is unsafe if e and f are floats.
Referring to Java.
Is this true? I've used comparison statements with doubles and floats and have never had rounding issues. Never have I read in a textbook something similar. Surely the virtual machine accounts for this?
It is true.
It is an inherent limitation of how floating point values are represented in memory in a finite number of bits.
This program, for instance, prints "false":
public class Main {
public static void main(String[] args) {
double a = 0.7;
double b = 0.9;
double x = a + 0.1;
double y = b - 0.1;
System.out.println(x == y);
}
}
Instead of exact comparison with '==' you usually decide on some level of precision and ask if the numbers are "close enough":
System.out.println(Math.abs(x - y) < 0.0001);
This applies to Java just as much as to any other language using floating point. It's inherent in the design of the representation of floating point values in hardware.
More info on floating point values:
What Every Computer Scientist Should Know About Floating-Point Arithmetic
Yes, representing 0.1 exactly in base-2 is the same as trying to represent 1/3 exactly in base 10.
This is always true. There are some numbers which cannot be represented accurately using float point representation. Consider, for example, pi. How would you represent a number which has infinite digits, within a finite storage? Therefore, when comparing numbers you should check if the difference between them is smaller then some epsilon. Also, there are several classes which exist that can help you achieve greater accuracy such as BigDecimal and BigInteger.
It is right. Note that Java has nothing to do with it, the problem is inherent in floating point math in ANY language.
You can often get away with it with classroom-level problems but it's not going to work in the real world. Sometimes it won't work in the classroom.
An incident from long ago back in school. The teacher of an intro class assigned a final exam problem that was proving a real doozy for many of the better students--it wasn't working and they didn't know why. (I saw this as a lab assistant, I wasn't in the class.) Finally some started asking me for help and some probing revealed the problem: They had never been taught about the inherent inaccuracy of floating point math.
Now, there were two basic approaches to this problem, a brute force one (which by chance worked in this case as it made the same errors every time) and a more elegant one (which would make different errors and not work.) Anyone who tried the elegant approach would hit a brick wall without having any idea why. I helped a bunch of them and stuck in a comment explaining why and to contact me if he had questions.
Of course next semester I hear from him about this and I basically floored the entire department with a simple little program:
10 X = 3000000
20 X = X + 1
30 If X < X + 1 goto 20
40 Print "X = X + 1"
Despite what every teacher in the department thought, this WILL terminate. The 3 million seed is simply to make it terminate faster. (If you don't know basic: There are no gimmicks here, just exhausting the precision of floating point numbers.)
Yes, as other answers have said. I want to add that I recommend you this article about floating point accuracy: Visualizing floats
Of course it is true. Think about it. Any number must be represented in binary.
Picture: "1000" as 0.5or 1/2, that is, 2 ** -1. Then "0100" is 0.25 or 1/4. You can see where I'm going.
How many numbers can you represent in this manner? 2**4. Adding more bits duplicates the available space, but it is never infinite. 1/3 or 1/10, for the matter 1/n, any number not multiple of 2 cannot be really represented.
1/3 could be "0101" (0.3125) or "0110" (0.375). Either value if you multiply it by 3, will not be 1. Of course you could add special rules. Say you "when you add 3 times '0101', make it 1"... this approach won't work in the long run. You can catch some but then how about 1/6 times 2?
It's not a problem of binary representation, any finite representation has numbers that you cannot represent, they are infinite after all.
Most CPUs (and computer languages) use IEEE 754 floating point arithmetic. Using this notation, there are decimal numbers that have no exact representation in this notation, e.g. 0.1. So if you divide 1 by 10 you won't get an exact result. When performing several calculations in a row, the errors sum up. Try the following example in python:
>>> 0.1
0.10000000000000001
>>> 0.1 / 7 * 10 * 7 == 1
False
That's not really what you'd expect mathematically.
By the way:
A common misunderstanding concerning floating point numbers is, that the results are not precise and cannot be comapared safely. This is only true if you really use fractions of numbers. If all your math is in the integer domain, doubles and floats do exactly the same as ints and also can be compared safely. They can be safely used as loop counters, for example.
yes, Java also uses floating point arithmetic.