Does anyone know if there is a way to dynamically (runtime) increase the stack size of the main Thread? Also, and I believe it is the same question, is it possible to increase / update the stack size of a Thread after its instantiation?
Thread’s CTOR allows the definition of its stack size but I can’t find any way to update it. Actually, I didn’t find any management of the stack size in the JDK (which tends to indicate that it’s not possible), everything is done in the VM.
According to the java language specification it is possible to set the stack size ‘when stack is created’ but there is a note:
A Java virtual machine implementation may provide the programmer or the user control over the initial size of Java virtual machine stacks, as well as, in the case of dynamically expanding or contracting Java virtual machine stacks, control over the maximum and minimum sizes.
IMO that’s not very clear, does that mean that some VM handle Threads with max (edit) stack sizes evolving within a given range? Can we do that with Hostpot (I didn't find any stack size related options beside Xss) ?
Thanks !
The stack size dynamcally updates itself as it is used so you never need to so this.
What you can set is the maximum size it can be with -Xss This is the virtual memory size used and you can make it as large as you like on 64-bit JVMs. The actual memory used is based on the amount of memory you use. ;)
EDIT: The important distinction is that the maximum size is reserved as virtual memory (so is the heap btw). i.e. the address space is reserved, which is also why it cannot be extended. In 32-bit systems you have limited address space and this can still be a problem. But in 64-bit systems, you usually have up to 256 TB of virtual memory (a processor limitation) so virtual memory is cheap. The actual memory is allocated in pages (typically 4 KB) and they are only allocated when used. This is why the memory of a Java application appears to grow over time even though the maximum heap size is allocated on startup. The same thing happens with thread stacks. Only the pages actually touched are allocated.
There's not a way to do this in the standard JDK, and even the stackSize argument isn't set in stone:
The effect of the stackSize parameter, if any, is highly platform dependent. ... On some platforms, the value of the stackSize parameter may have no effect whatsoever. ... The virtual machine is free to treat the stackSize parameter as a suggestion.
(Emphasis in original.)
Related
Now, this question arises mostly due to my misunderstanding of the native memory in JVM and probably stupid too. So a good easy to understand documentation in that direction would be nice.
Now I now that the sun.misc.unsafe class never recommended and the word "unsafe" itself implies. I also understand that it will be deprecated.
My understanding is that the MaxDirectMemorySize is to limit the native memory size that can be accessed by the lies of implementations of NIO or byte buffers. So is this memory size limit applied to memory regions that are created by the Unsafe class?
Also why this question is the thread stack growth is a native memory that is not in the control of the JVM. are there other ways within a java code that such native memory can be made to grow that is not in the hand or control of the VM.
These are some ponderings that I have for more of an understanding of the JVM that is all.
The maximum is applied by maintaining a count of how much is used and comparing with the maximum memory size. You can find how this parameter is used in the JVM code.
Unless you do this as well, no maximum if being enforced.
the thread stack growth is a native memory that is not in the control of the JVM.
The JVM doesn't implement this limit as it is performed by the OS. The JVM just sets it when the stack is created. C.f. -Xss
It's important to realise the JVM is a C program. It doesn't do anything magical and under the covers does the same things a C program would do.
I am attempting to run a Java application on a cluster computing environment (IBM LSF running CentOS release 6.2 Final) that can provide me with up to 1TB of RAM space.
I could create a JVM with up to 300GB of maximum memory (Xmx), although I need more than that (I can provide details, if requested).
However, it seems to be impossible to create a JVM with more than 300GB of maximum memory using the Xmx option. To be more specific, I get the classic error message:
Error occurred during initialization of VM.
Could not reserve enough space for object heap.
The details of my (64-bit) JVM are below:
OpenJDK Runtime Environment (IcedTea6 1.10.6) (rhel-1.43.1.10.6.el6_2-x86_64)
OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM (build 20.0-b11, mixed mode)
I've also tried with a Java 7 64-bit JVM but I've had exactly the same problem.
Moreover, I tried to create a JVM to run a HelloWorld.jar, but still JVM creation fails if you ask for more than -Xmx300G, so I don't think it has anything to do with the specific application.
Does anyone have any idea why I cannot create a JVM with more than 300G of max memory?
Can anyone please suggest a solution/workaround?
I can think of a couple of possible explanations:
Other applications on your system are using so much memory that there isn't 300Gb available right now.
There could be a resource limit on the per-process memory size. You can check this using ulimit. (Note that according to this bug, you will get the error message if the per-process resource limit stops the JVM allocating the heap regions.)
It is also possible that this is an "over commit" issue; e.g. if your application is running in a virtual and the system as a whole cannot meet the demand because there is too much competition from other virtuals.
A couple of the other ideas suggested are (IMO) unlikely:
Switching the JRE is unlikely to make any difference. I've never heard or seen of arbitrary memory limits in specific 64 bit JVMs.
It is unlikely to be due to not having enough contiguous memory. Certainly contiguous physical memory is not required. The only possibility might be contiguous space on the swap device, but I don't recall that being an issue for typical Linux OSes.
Can anyone please suggest a solution/workaround?
Check the ulimit.
Write a tiny C program that attempts to malloc lots of memory and see how much that can allocate before it fails.
Ask the system (or hypervisor) administrator for help.
(edited, see added section on swap space)
SHMMAX and SHMALL
Since you are using CentOS, you may have run into a similar issue about the SHMMAX and SHMALL kernel setting as described here for configuring the Oracle DB. Under that same link is an example calculation for getting and setting the correct SHMALL setting.
Contiguous memory
Certain users have already reported that not enough contiguous memory is available, others have said it is irrelevant.
I am not certain whether the JVM on CentOS requires a contiguous block of memory. According to SAS, fragmented memory can prevent your JVM to startup with a large max Xmx or start Xms memory setting, but other claims on the internet say it doesn't matter. I tried to proof or unproof that claim on my 48GB Windows workstation, but managed to start the JVM with an initial and max setting of 40GB. I am pretty sure that no contiguous block of that size was available, but JVMs on different OS's may behave differently, because the memory management can be different per OS (i.e., Windows typically hides the physical addresses for individual processes).
Finding the largest contiguous memory block
Use /proc/meminfo to find the largest contiguous memory block available, see the value under VmAllocChunk. Here's a guide and explanation of all values. If the value you see there is smaller than 300GB, try a value that falls right under the value of VmAllocChunk.
However, usually this number is higher than the physically available memory (because it is the virtual memory value available), it may give you a false positive. It is the value you can reserve, but once you start using it, it may require swapping. You should therefore also check the MemFree and the Inactive values. Conversely, you can also look at the whole list and see what values do not surpass 300GB.
Other tuning options you can check for 64 bit JVM
I am not sure why you seem to hit a memory limit issue at 300GB. For a moment I thought you might have hit a maximum of pages. With the default of 4kB, 300GB gives 78,643,200 pages. Doesn't look like some well-known magical number. If, for instance, 2^24 is the maximum, then 16,777,216 pages, or 64GB should be your theoretical allocatable maximum.
However, suppose for the sake of argument that you need larger pages (which is, as it turns out, better for performance of large memory Java applications), you should consult this manpage on JBoss, which explains how to use -XX:+UseLargePages and set kernel.shmmax (there it is again), vm.nr_hugepages and vm.huge_tlb_shm_group (not sure the latter is required).
Stress your system
Others have suggested this already as well. To find out that the problem lies with the JVM and not with the OS, you should stresstest it. One tool you could use is Stresslinux. In this tutorial, you find some options you can use. Of particular interest to you is the following command:
stress --vm 2 --vm-bytes 300G --timeout 30s --verbose
If that command fails, or locks your system, you know that the OS is limiting the use of that amount of memory. If it succeeds, we should try to tweak the JVM such that it can use the available memory.
EDIT Apr6: check swap space
It is not uncommon that systems with very large internal memory sizes, use little or no swap space. For many applications this may not be a problem, but the JVM requires the swap available swap space to be larger than the requested memory size. According to this bug report, the JVM will try to increase the swap space itself, however, as some answers in this SO thread suggested, the JVM may not always be capable of doing so.
Hence: check the currently available swap space with cat /proc/swaps # free and, if it is smaller than 300GB, follow the instructions on this CentOS manpage to increase the swap space for your system.
Note 1: we can deduct from bugreport #4719001 that a contiguous block of available swap space is not a necessity. But if you are unsure, remove all swap space and recreate it, which should remove any fragmentation.
Note 2: I have seen several posts like this one reporting 0MB swap space and being able to run the JVM. That is probably due to the fact that the JVM increases the swap space itself. Still doesn't hurt to try to increase the swap space by hand to find out whether it fixes your issue.
Premature conclusion
I realize that non of the above is an out-of-the-box answer to your question. I hope it gives you some pointers though to what you can try to get your JVM working. You might also try other JVM's, if the problem turns out to be a limit of the JVM you are currently using, but from what I have read so far, no limit should be imposed for 64 bit JVM's.
That you get the error right on initialization of the JVM leads me to believe that the problem is not with the JVM, but with the OS not being able to comply to the reservation of the 300GB of memory.
My own tests showed that the JVM can access all virtual memory, and doesn't care about the amount of physical memory available. It would be odd if the virtual memory is lower than the physical memory, but the VmAllocChunk setting should give you a hint in that direction (it is usually much larger).
If you have a look at the FAQ section of Java HotSpot VM, its mentioned that on 64-bit VMs, there are only 64 address bits to work with and hence the maximum Java heap size is dependent on the amount of physical memory & swap space present on the system.
If you calculate theoretically then you can have a memory of 18446744073709551616 MB, but there are above limitation to it.
You have to use -Xmx command to define maximum heap size for JVM, By default, Java uses 64 + 30% = 83.2MB on 64-bit JVMs.
I tried below command on my machine and it looked to work fine.
java -Xmx500g com.test.TestClass
I also tried to define maximum heap in terabytes but it doesn't work.
Run ulimit -a as the JVM Process's user and verify that your kernel isn't limiting your max memory size. You may need to edit /etc/security/limit.conf
According to this discussion, LSF does not pool node memory into a single shared space. You are using something else for that. Read that something's documentation, because it is possible it cannot do what you are asking it to do. In particular, it may not be able to allocate a single contiguous region of memory that spans all the nodes. Usually that's not necessary, as an application will make many calls to malloc. But the JVM, to simplify things for itself, wants to allocate (or reserve) a single contiguous region for the entire heap by effectively calling malloc just once. Or it could be something else related to whatever you are using to emulate a giant shared memory machine.
Why does Java not expand the heap size until it hits the OS-imposed process memory limit, in the same way .NET CLR does?
Is it just a policy made by JVM developers, or is an advantage of .NET CLR's architecture over JVM's one? In other words, if Oracle engineers want to implement automatic heap expansion for the JVM, are they able to do that?
Thanks
EDIT: I really think it is a bad design choice for java. It is not safe to set the Xmx as high as possible (e.g. 100 GB!). If a user need to run my code on bigger data, he may run it on a system with more available RAM. Why should I, as the developer, set the maximum available memory of my program? I do not know which size the data is !!!
The JVM increases the heap size when it needs to up to the maximum heap size you set. It doesn't take all the memory as it has to preallocate this on startup and you might want to use some memory for something else, like thread stacks, share libraries, off heap memory etc.
Why Java does not expand the heap size until it hits the OS-imposed process memory limit, in the same way .NET CLR does?
If you set the maximum heap size large enough, or use off heap memory, it will. It just won't do this by default. One reason is that heap memory has to be in main memory and cannot be swapped out without killing the performance of your machine (if not killing your machine) This is not true of C programs and expanding so much is worse than failing to expand.
If you have a JVM with a heap size of 10% more than main memory and you use that much, as soon as you perform a GC, which has to touch every page more than once, you are likely to find you need to power cycle the box.
Linux has a process killer when resources run out, and this doesn't trigger you might be luck enough to restart.
Is it just a policy made by JVM developers, or is an advantage of .NET CLR's architecture over JVM's one
A key feature of the JVM is that it is platform independent, so it has its own control. The JVM running at the limit of your process space is likely to prevent your machine from working (from heavy swapping) I don't know .NET avoids this from happening.
In other words, if Oracle engineers want to implement automatic heap expansion for the JVM, are they able to do that?
It does already as I have said, it's just not a good idea to allow it to use too much memory.
It is a developers decision to decide how much heap memory must be allowed for the java process. it is based on various factors like the project design, platform on which it is going to run etc.
We can set heap size properties
-Xms<size> set initial Java heap size
-Xmx<size> set maximum Java heap size
-Xss<size> set java thread stack size
As you can see we set the initial heap size and if later JVM finds that more is needed then it can increase the heap size upto the maximum specified limit. Infact the size changes when we do GC(not a mandate). I had posted question on similar grounds. You can refer to it. So increase/decrease of heap size is done by JVM. All we have to do as developers is specify limit based on our requirements.
I have a project I'm writing (in Java) for a class where the prof says we're not allowed to use more than 200m
I limit the stack memory to 50m (just to be absolutely sure) with -Xmx50m but according to top, it's still using 300m
I tried running Eclipse Memory Analyzer and it reports only 26m
Could this all be memory on the stack?, I'm pretty sure I never go further than about 300 method calls deep (yes, it is a recursive DFS search), so that would have to mean every stack frame is using up almost a megabyte which seems hard to believe.
The program is single-threaded. Does anyone know any other places in which I might reduce memory usage? Also, how can I check/limit how much memory the stack is using?
UPDATE: I'm using the following JVM options now with no effect (still about 300m according to top): -Xss104k -Xms40m -Xmx40m -XX:MaxPermSize=1k
Another UPDATE: Actually, if I let it run a little bit longer (with all these options) about half the time it suddenly drops to 150m after 4 or 5 seconds (the other half it doesn't drop). What makes this really strange is that my program has no stochastic (and as I said it's single-threaded) so there's no reason it should behave differently on different runs
Could it have something to do with the JVM I'm using?
java version "1.6.0_27"
OpenJDK Runtime Environment (IcedTea6 1.12.3) (6b27-1.12.3-0ubuntu1~10.04)
OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM (build 20.0-b12, mixed mode)
According to java -h, the default JVM is -server. I tried adding -cacao and now (with all the other options) it's only 59m. So I suppose this solves my problem. Can anyone explain why this was necessary? Also, are there any drawbacks I should know about?
One more update: cacao is really really slow compared to server. This is an awful option
Top command reflects the total amount of memory used by the Java application. This includes among other things:
A basic memory overhead of the JVM itself
the heap space (bounded with -Xmx)
The permanent generation space (-XX:MaxPermSize - not standard in all JVMs)
threads stack space (-Xss per stack) which may grow significantly depending on the number of threads
Space used by native allocations (using ByteBufer class, or JNI)
Max memory = [-Xmx] + [-XX:MaxPermSize] + number_of_threads * [-Xss]
here max heap memory as -Xmx ,min heap memory as -Xms,stack memory as -Xss
and -XX maxPermSize
The following example illustrates this situation. I have launched my tomcat with the following startup parameters:
-Xmx168m -Xms168m -XX:PermSize=32m -XX:MaxPermSize=32m -Xss1m
With -Xmx you are configuring heap size. To configure stack size use -Xss parameter. Sum of those two parameters should be approximately what you want:
-Xmx150m -Xss50m
for example.
Additionally there is also -XX:MaxPermSize parameter which controls. This parameter for -client has default value of 32mb and for -server 64mb. According to your configuration calculate it as well. PermGen space is:
The permanent generation is used to hold reflective of the VM itself such as class objects and method objects.
So basically it stores internal data of the JVM, like classes definitions and intern-ed strings.
At the end I must say that there is one part which you can't control, that is memory used by native java process. Java is program, just like any other, so it uses memory also. If you are watching memory usage in Task Manager you will see this memory as well together with your program memory consumption.
It's important to note that "total memory used" (RSS in Linux land) includes JDK heap (+ other JDK areas) as well as any "native memory" allocated.
For instance, these people found that allocating too many jaxbcontexts (which have associated native memory) between GC's could cause it to use a lot of extra RAM. Another common one is apparently ZipInflater if you don't call close on it (or GZipStream, etc.)
http://sleeplessinslc.blogspot.com/2014/08/jvm-native-memory-leak.html
His final workaround/fix was to either GC "more often" (by using GC1 garbage collector, or specifying a smaller [ironically] -Xmx setting) or by cacheing the JaxBContext objects (since they have no close method so you can't control the leak).
Also note that sometimes you can find memory culprits by just examing jstack: http://javaeesupportpatterns.blogspot.com/2011/09/jaxbcontext-performance-problem-case.html
It's also sometimes possible to "miss" closing for instance GZipStreams accidentally http://kohsuke.org/2011/11/03/quiz-time-memory-leak-in-java
Have you tried using JVisualVM?
http://docs.oracle.com/javase/6/docs/technotes/tools/share/jvisualvm.html
I've often found it helps me track this stuff down. It will show you how much of each kind of memory is being used in even let you drill in and find out what.
I cannot understand the Java memory usage. I have an application which is executed with maximum memory size set to 256M. Yet, at some point in time I can see that according to the task manager it takes up to 700MB!
Needless to say, all the rest of the applications are a bit unresponsive when this happens as they are probably swapped out.
It's JDK 1.6 on WinXP. Any ideas ?
The memory configured is available to the application. It won't include
the JVM size
the jars/libs loaded in
native libraries and related allocated memory
which will result in a much bigger image. Note that due to how the OS and the JVM work that 700Mb may be shared between multiple JVMs (due to shared binary images, shared libraries etc.)
The amount you specify with -Xmx is only for the user accessible heap - the space in which you create runtime objects dynamically.
The Java process will usea lot more space for its own needs, including the JVM, the program and other libraries, constants pool, etc.
In addition, because of the way the garbage collection system works, there may be more memory allocated than what is currently in the heap - it just hasn't been reclaimed yet.
All that being said, setting your program to a maximal heap of 256MB is really lowballing it on a modern system. For heavy programs you can usually request at least 1GB of heap.
As you mentioned, one possible cause of slowness is that some of the memory allocated to Java gets swapped off to disk. In that case, the program would indeed start churning the disk, so don't go overboard if you have little physical memory available. On Linux, you can get page miss stats for a process, I am sure there's a similar way on windows.
The -Xmx option only limits the java heap size. In addition to the heap, java will allocate memory for other things, including a stack for each thread (2kB by default, set by -Xss), the PermGenSpace, etc.
So, depending on how many threads you launch, the number of classes your application loads, and some other factors, you may use a lot more memory than expected.
Also, as pointed out, the Windows task manager may take the virtual memory into account.
You mean the heap right? As far as i know there are two things to take care. The Xms option which sets an initial java heap size and the Xmx option which sets the maximum java heap space. If the heap memory is overreaching the Xmx value there should be an OutOfMemoryException.
What about the virtual pages it's taking up. I think Windows shows you the full set of everything aggregated.